Thu, 21/05/2009 - 21:11
Even when I thought, that I would came too late (I totally admit to have been delayed with my tp to the place because I had toruble to find the correct hairstyle :) ), I was still able to get one of the last places in the sim for the office hours. Later, I have spotted soemone going *poof* and I tped Triss in as he was waiting in one of the neighbouring sims with the rest of the unlucky masses that didn't get into the 40 avi limited office hour.
As for the announced protest, there was not much of it visible, as I guess that the protesters didn't get into the sim. Some signs was all and Blodin even said that he left one of the signs there. I guess he needed to show ho 'open' he is for opposition and different opinion *laughs sarcastically*.
Anyways, he still tried to answer a few things, but it was not much when read through it. Some general info with a bit of company speach here and there and besically answering of the same questions that have been asked before.
So, here comes the log. I have, as always, removed the online-offline messeges and in one place, someone had a AO malfunction and it spammed into the chat with several lines of text about not found animations. I have removed this as well. The rest is all just like it was said. A long read and 21 pages as a openoffice document:
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[2009/05/20 15:24] Lasher Oh: The uncertaintity about what's going on and when is now beginning to hurt businesses Blodin no one is able to plan anything when will there be firm proposals on the table
[2009/05/20 15:24] Millenia Moonwall: o.o
[2009/05/20 15:24] Millenia Moonwall: region is full
[2009/05/20 15:25] Gordon Wendt: outside of SL so nuts to LL on that one
[2009/05/20 15:25] kestryl Appin: Once again, how and where is the announcment going to be ade? And in what languages?
[2009/05/20 15:25] richard Zhichao: lol
[2009/05/20 15:25] Gordon Wendt: not that the betting restrictions in SL made much of a difference, peopel still bet
[2009/05/20 15:25] Achron Timeless: yeah, there's a gambling den next to one of my friend's homes
[2009/05/20 15:25] richard Zhichao: here we go
[2009/05/20 15:25] Gordon Wendt: apologies for the bad spelling and grammer, typing lag is so bad I can't go back and correct
[2009/05/20 15:26] Elanthius Flagstaff: Doesn Blondin speak in these things or just stand there while everyone else rants and raves?
[2009/05/20 15:26] Blondin Linden: Im waiting for 330
[2009/05/20 15:26] Mosley Sperber: well it starts at 3:30
[2009/05/20 15:26] Qie Niangao: still 4 minutes to showtime
[2009/05/20 15:26] Achron Timeless: to me this seems like a token effort in face of the whole "think of the children! we don't want to parent them and they may access adult only things!" movement
[2009/05/20 15:27] Gordon Wendt: Blondin, do you have a bear and if so can I get one before the mob tries to rip you limb from limb :)
[2009/05/20 15:27] richard Zhichao: i feel tingly inside 4 mins to go
[2009/05/20 15:27] Millenia Moonwall: you got the point, meow
[2009/05/20 15:27] Lucy Padroclum: Token efforts don't need to be this revolutionary
[2009/05/20 15:27] Gordon Wendt: thanks
[2009/05/20 15:27] Mosley Sperber: he's got two bears. Blondin, I asked for your PG one a while ago, if you have time .... ;>
[2009/05/20 15:27] Mosley Sperber: Thanks :)
[2009/05/20 15:27] Gordon Wendt: there's a certain irony to a Blondin bondage bear right now
[2009/05/20 15:27] Elanthius Flagstaff: Blondin, have you guys pre-approved who will move already before anyone even asks? It kinda seems like someone hinted at it
[2009/05/20 15:28] Achron Timeless: I agree, it's going too far, I mean, sending adults off (in an adult only game mind you) to their own leper colony/concentration camp/reservation seems extreme
[2009/05/20 15:28] richard Zhichao: who took the pic
[2009/05/20 15:28] Bettie Skytower: ahhh.... please...
[2009/05/20 15:28] Blondin Linden: [15:27] Elanthius Flagstaff: Blondin, have you guys pre-approved who will move already before anyone even asks? It kinda seems like someone hinted at it ANSWER: Of course not. THere has not bee any sort of Pre-approval. We're waiting until the tickets are submitted
[2009/05/20 15:28] Gordon Wendt: Elanthius, you know as well as anyone that there are people with connections and pull that will get auto approved pretty much, big name businesses who have been around forever
[2009/05/20 15:29] Gordon Wendt: that's not to say that they won't wait to make it look nice and legit
[2009/05/20 15:29] Shadow Pidgeon: actually i have an issue regarding a welcome area.. perhaps we can talk about it afther the meeting
[2009/05/20 15:29] richard Zhichao: right
[2009/05/20 15:29] Blondin Linden: [15:28] Achron Timeless: I agree, it's going too far, I mean, sending adults off (in an adult only game mind you) to their own leper colony/concentration camp/reservation seems extreme ANSWER: Thats a bit drastic isn't it? A leper colony Ursula is quite beautiful and all destinations in SL are only a TP away
[2009/05/20 15:29] Gordon Wendt: that's not a sleight at you btw blondin it's just that I'm an extreme skeptic when it comes to people in general, I know what evil lurks in the hearts of men
[2009/05/20 15:29] Elanthius Flagstaff: OK Blondin, it just sseemed like the way you were so sure about how much adult content there was and everything that maybe you'd scanned the grid already.
[2009/05/20 15:29] Aimee Swansong: my main question is i have seen oposing reports on will credit card info be good enough to prove your an adult? because i am not givnig any more person information than that out
[2009/05/20 15:29] Luscious Sparta: *waits to get answers from Blondin or legit sources of information*
[2009/05/20 15:30] richard Zhichao: one min to go
[2009/05/20 15:30] richard Zhichao: its time
[2009/05/20 15:30] kestryl Appin: Now, how and when is this announcement going to be made, and to what languages?
[2009/05/20 15:30] Blondin Linden: [15:29] Shadow Pidgeon: actually i have an issue regarding a welcome area.. perhaps we can talk about it afther the meeting ANSWER: Sounds great. I'm all about Infohubs and Welcome Areas
[2009/05/20 15:30] Lucy Padroclum: The symbolism here is extreme, Blondin, nobody cares what the place looks like, what we care about is why you're moving the people who should be here anyway as opposed to those who shouldn't.
[2009/05/20 15:30] Aleesa Rearwin: hes answered 2 questions already
[2009/05/20 15:30] Elanthius Flagstaff: Blondin: Any idea when the ticketing process will start and importantly when it will end. i.e. how long will we have to get our info together?
[2009/05/20 15:30] Shank Firecaster: wouldn't it save time to move the PG areas? :P
[2009/05/20 15:30] Lasher Oh: Are you prepared for a stampede when the ticketing opens Blondin - 10 handlers allocated doesn't seem enough
[2009/05/20 15:30] Millenia Moonwall: ok... 3.30! let' start
[2009/05/20 15:30] You cannot currently invite anyone to your location because the region is full. Try again later.
[2009/05/20 15:31] richard Zhichao: it 331 pm
[2009/05/20 15:31] Qie Niangao: I think there's an opportunity here for LL, to let some of Ursula be used for a "fringe festival" to SL6B (let somebody pay L$1 so it's not a Linden-sponsored event)... let folks see Ursula for themselves.
[2009/05/20 15:31] Achron Timeless: Blondin: My main concern about all this, adult content aside, is that this sets precedent. Anything some vocal minority shouts loud enough about can be quietly swept under the rug and given their own segregation island. This is where it begins, but where does it end?
[2009/05/20 15:32] Blondin Linden: [15:29] Elanthius Flagstaff: OK Blondin, it just sseemed like the way you were so sure about how much adult content there was and everything that maybe you'd scanned the grid already. ANSWER: We have ina way. But not to create a list of pre-appoved movers. We did have a look around the mainland
[2009/05/20 15:32] Blondin Linden: [15:29] Aimee Swansong: my main question is i have seen oposing reports on will credit card info be good enough to prove your an adult? because i am not givnig any more person information than that out ANSWER: Yes. Any sort of billing relationship with Linden Lab, Xstreet, Paypal. These will be good to verify your account
[2009/05/20 15:33] Elanthius Flagstaff: Let's say, that the tickets result in 50 sims of content being moved. How many sims after that will you auction? Will you keep auctioning them until the price of the auctioned land reaches some reasonable price or is there an upper limit? I think it's safe to say you could auction 1000s and people would keep buying them for $750. How will you know when to stop?
[2009/05/20 15:33] Storyof Oh: but you originally excluded sex furniture stores we cant sell in mature with all the filters and sex try outs
[2009/05/20 15:34] Gordon Wendt: Blondon, doesn't that kinda defeat the purpose then? any 12 year old can get verified then and that's even below what COPA standards were back when that was in effect
[2009/05/20 15:34] Gordon Wendt: *blondin
[2009/05/20 15:34] Annemarie Perenti: so if somebody has the yearly subscription paid by credit card is that enough as a verication?
[2009/05/20 15:34] Blondin Linden: [15:30] kestryl Appin: Now, how and when is this announcement going to be made, and to what languages? As soon as the Definitions are finalized. They are almost complete and a blog draft has been created. As for languages, its tough to get it into every language but KB articles and the press releases have been translated into German, French and Japanese
[2009/05/20 15:35] kestryl Appin: So where!!!!?????
[2009/05/20 15:35] kestryl Appin: Where are they going to be announced????
[2009/05/20 15:35] Gordon Wendt: Blondin, will requests for translation go out for other languages?
[2009/05/20 15:35] Gordon Wendt: There's a whole community of people who currently translate KB and other documents to the "unofficial" languages
[2009/05/20 15:35] Millenia Moonwall: Blondon... may i ask you something? i heard from someone that you guys are going to require ours ID cards for age verify... isn't that a lawbreak against the TOS? i mean... we have anonimy here...
[2009/05/20 15:36] Elanthius Flagstaff: Good god, he already answered the verification question 3 times. You just need a billing relationship to be verified for adult continent
[2009/05/20 15:36] Elanthius Flagstaff: *content
[2009/05/20 15:36] Aleesa Rearwin: Blondin: Is the estimated "end of June" time still on course for Ursula moves?
[2009/05/20 15:36] kestryl Appin: Is there going to be a SL wide announcment????????????????????????
[2009/05/20 15:36] Shank Firecaster: thus throwing a free SL experience out the window
[2009/05/20 15:36] Youri Ashton: hello all
[2009/05/20 15:36] Blondin Linden: [15:30] Elanthius Flagstaff: Blondin: Any idea when the ticketing process will start and importantly when it will end. i.e. how long will we have to get our info together? ANSWER: Timeing is a difficult question. A lot of it relies on the final release of 1.23. There will be plenty of messaging and the ticketing process will start as soon as Ursula is open. The submission process for the land swap will be open for a month...give or take a week depending.
[2009/05/20 15:37] Millenia Moonwall: let's say more a.... premium full-inclused version
[2009/05/20 15:37] Youri Ashton: Blondin: any new welcome center(s) for the Netherlands? I keep hearing things about that
[2009/05/20 15:37] Gordon Wendt: Elanthius, this is why large meetings really need to have IM's go through another Linden before being answered, it gets too confusing this way with so many people
[2009/05/20 15:37] Annemarie Perenti: the verification question is not clear because i pay through american expres and i was still asked to verify anyway....
[2009/05/20 15:37] Kira Welty: will we be able to access Ursula with 1.22 viewer?
[2009/05/20 15:37] Elanthius Flagstaff: Blondin: Follow up on timing. Is it going to be closer to one day, one week, one month or much more before this stuff starts?
[2009/05/20 15:37] Blondin Linden: [15:30] Shank Firecaster: wouldn't it save time to move the PG areas? :P ANSWER: not really. THere are a lot more PG areas than what we would consider ADULT
[2009/05/20 15:38] richard Zhichao: wow
[2009/05/20 15:38] Shank Firecaster: haha hard to believe
[2009/05/20 15:38] Storyof Oh: thats rubbish with all due respect unless you count empty land as pg
[2009/05/20 15:38] Shank Firecaster: or things done inside a building
[2009/05/20 15:38] Luscious Sparta: Here is a question, what is the line Linden has set for "Adult" content, and is it really only the extremes of sl's mature content?
[2009/05/20 15:39] Blondin Linden: [15:30] Lasher Oh: Are you prepared for a stampede when the ticketing opens Blondin - 10 handlers allocated doesn't seem enough ANSWER: There are more than 10. And yes, we will be prepared.
[2009/05/20 15:39] kestryl Appin sing-songs, "And where, oh where will the announcment be, oh where oh where will it beeeee???"
[2009/05/20 15:39] richard Zhichao: lol
[2009/05/20 15:39] Aleesa Rearwin: most likely the forums
[2009/05/20 15:39] Aleesa Rearwin: is my best guess
[2009/05/20 15:39] kestryl Appin: Jack said around ten
[2009/05/20 15:39] kestryl Appin: The forums?
[2009/05/20 15:39] Melodie Darwin: if someone doesnt verify, and remains NPIOF are they still going to be able to access PG and Mature or only PG?
[2009/05/20 15:39] Shank Firecaster: tons of people don't pay attention to the forums, I know a bazillion people who use what would be Mature areas who have no idea about this
[2009/05/20 15:39] Kesia Shelman is Offline
[2009/05/20 15:40] Millenia Moonwall: i seen the things they say "mature"... even a neko is considered mature, meow? >.<
[2009/05/20 15:40] Luscious Sparta: probably in linden status or blog I imagine
[2009/05/20 15:40] Gordon Wendt: Are the lindens commited to tweaking the search restrictions indefinitely if needed until they function as intended and will there be a publicly announced plan on how people can get theexceptions that were promised for people who had legitimate use for otherwise adult terms?
[2009/05/20 15:40] Storyof Oh: nor blogs.....
[2009/05/20 15:40] Elanthius Flagstaff: About the announcement. Do you have any plans to take out a full page ad in the New York Times? How about a biplane dragging a sign all over America? Sky writing from the red devils maybe?
[2009/05/20 15:40] Blondin Linden: [15:31] Qie Niangao: I think there's an opportunity here for LL, to let some of Ursula be used for a "fringe festival" to SL6B (let somebody pay L$1 so it's not a Linden-sponsored event)... let folks see Ursula for themselves. ANSWER: That is an interesting idea. I'd have to run that one up the ladder but I know JAck has mentioned opening up Ursula for type of event
[2009/05/20 15:40] Qie Niangao: thanks. *smiles*
[2009/05/20 15:41] Gordon Wendt: Blondin, would giant fallace attacks be permitted in such an event if held on Ursula? :)
[2009/05/20 15:41] kestryl Appin: Elanthius, I think at the LEAST they whhoul have it at login
[2009/05/20 15:41] Elanthius Flagstaff: kestryl: Yeah, or maybe they could shoot lasers at the moon and write the notice there
[2009/05/20 15:41] Gordon Wendt: spelled that wrong but whatever
[2009/05/20 15:41] Lasher Oh: thx Blondin - Follow up Question - Jack and Cyn don't seem to be singing from the same song sheet when it comes to land transfers - Cyn sugests pre speculation and aquisition pior to move is valid Jack says checks will be made into past content - which is right?
[2009/05/20 15:42] Lucy Padroclum: Blondin, how many people genuinely asked for this or for something like it, and do those people outnumber the thousands that have voted against it?
[2009/05/20 15:42] Shank Firecaster: Could LL have those mass-messages for when people log in to let us know of where to look for updates? Honestly, so many people don't even know this is going on.
[2009/05/20 15:42] Roslynd Turbo: The draft 'definitions' are fairly vauge and subjective - you have mentioned getting final ones soon - are these much tighter or basically the same as the draft that is currently there (the one that has any photo-realistic nudity as being adult) ie: all good quality skins = adult
[2009/05/20 15:42] Blondin Linden: [15:31] Achron Timeless: Blondin: My main concern about all this, adult content aside, is that this sets precedent. Anything some vocal minority shouts loud enough about can be quietly swept under the rug and given their own segregation island. This is where it begins, but where does it end? ANSWER: Isn't most Adult content filtered in some sort of fashion? we're only moving commercialised sexual content or services, not artistic nudes or that lone sexbed you have hidden in the attic that no-one knows about. this is no different to the fact that you wouldn't see hardcore pornography on open display in the high street, you would have to choose to enter a store that sold it.. that door is acting as our 'continents'.
[2009/05/20 15:42] kestryl Appin: And still no answer from any Linden about where the annuncment will be made, they will sweep it to the website an the majjority of SL goers unaware
[2009/05/20 15:42] Sin Toshi: How will object name and descriptions which are set to show in search effect your parcel? For instance in a situation where a mature parcel with appropriate name and land description also has an object using adult language visible in search, will that prevent the parcel from being visible to mature viewers?
[2009/05/20 15:42] richard Zhichao: and then they will ban them
[2009/05/20 15:43] Elanthius Flagstaff: Heh, that's silly Blondin. Adult content isn't filtered at all on the internets. That's the entire point.
[2009/05/20 15:43] Achron Timeless: well that entirely did not answer my question ,but points for effort
[2009/05/20 15:43] Gordon Wendt: Blondin, in regards to your last response, you're saying artistic nudes can't be searched though, that is a major flaw
[2009/05/20 15:43] Ciaran Laval: Blondin it's very different, lapdancing bars in my city advertise on the side of buses and in newspapers, your plan doesn't give those options
[2009/05/20 15:43] Elanthius Flagstaff: kestryl: Maybe they'll cut up magazines - Ransom note style - and send them out to everyone
[2009/05/20 15:44] Gordon Wendt: Elanthius, move to Ursula or the hippos get it
[2009/05/20 15:44] Elanthius Flagstaff: Heh
[2009/05/20 15:44] Qie Niangao: Ciaran: works fine as long as your city is Ursula. ;)
[2009/05/20 15:44] Rin Tae: Question: I do have the concern, that with such guidelines in place, and the reliance on ARs to control it, the system might be too easily abused to report people for alleged adult content violations. Given taht I have several friends now who have been suspended for nothing because itseems like there was no one investigating the reports ... how much security is provided agaisnt the abuse of the system or to prevent cases where people raprot activites thinkign that they violate the rules but that are not doign thins acually?
[2009/05/20 15:44] Blondin Linden: [15:34] Gordon Wendt: Blondon, doesn't that kinda defeat the purpose then? any 12 year old can get verified then and that's even below what COPA standards were back when that was in effect ANSWER: No verification is perfect but we need to do the best we can and meet the industry standards.
[2009/05/20 15:44] Ciaran Laval: lol Qie
[2009/05/20 15:45] Gordon Wendt: fair enough Blondin
[2009/05/20 15:45] Blondin Linden: LOG OFF NOW!
[2009/05/20 15:45] Blondin Linden: [15:35] kestryl Appin: Where are they going to be announced???? ANSWER: The blogs and we'll have a in message once things are finalized
[2009/05/20 15:46] richard Zhichao: well that wasfast and painless
[2009/05/20 15:46] Bixyl Shuftan: Hello Blondin, I represent Second Life Newspaper
[2009/05/20 15:46] kestryl Appin: Thats just frigged, the blogs???
[2009/05/20 15:46] Elanthius Flagstaff: Blondin, you ruined all our fun by answering kestryl's stupid question.
[2009/05/20 15:46] Millenia Moonwall: o.o
[2009/05/20 15:46] Millenia Moonwall: only the blogs?
[2009/05/20 15:46] kestryl Appin: hehe, shaddup Elanthius
[2009/05/20 15:47] Blondin Linden: [15:35] Gordon Wendt: There's a whole community of people who currently translate KB and other documents to the "unofficial" languages ANSWER: I would love to chat with them about getting it all translated. I would love to things get translated into SPanish
[2009/05/20 15:47] Millenia Moonwall: and what about peoples that don't look at them?
[2009/05/20 15:47] richard Zhichao: i hate to tell you this but they were canned answers
[2009/05/20 15:47] Shadow Pidgeon: gotta give him credit... hes getting good at getting the answers out
[2009/05/20 15:47] Gordon Wendt: Blondin, I'm not a translator but ping me after the meeting and I'll at least point you in the right direction
[2009/05/20 15:48] Blondin Linden: [15:36] Aleesa Rearwin: Blondin: Is the estimated "end of June" time still on course for Ursula moves? ANSWER: End of June is still on track from what I hear. Thats when it'll all begin
[2009/05/20 15:48] kestryl Appin: I have a better one Elanthus *she says, poking her tongue out
[2009/05/20 15:48] Elanthius Flagstaff: Oh end of june? So The Aporncalypse happens at the same time as the Homestead price increase?
[2009/05/20 15:48] Gordon Wendt: Elanthius, a bit off topic but you don't really think that's going to happen do you?
[2009/05/20 15:49] Elanthius Flagstaff: Sure, why not Gordon?
[2009/05/20 15:49] Blondin Linden: [15:37] Kira Welty: will we be able to access Ursula with 1.22 viewer? ANSWER: That is a good question and I am not 100%. I need to check. Good question though
[2009/05/20 15:49] Elanthius Flagstaff: Whatever sims they lost last time they made the money back in increased revenue. Same money, less sims. It's awesome.
[2009/05/20 15:49] kestryl Appin: Shouldn't LL have thought of this long ago before they opened it up to unverified accounts in 2006, and wasnt setting up PG and Matue sims next to each other asking for trouble?
[2009/05/20 15:49] Bixyl Shuftan: (SLN) Blondin, can you tell s what will happen to landowners and businessmen/women who decline to rate their land?
[2009/05/20 15:49] richard Zhichao: wow what a answer
[2009/05/20 15:50] Kira Welty: thank you
[2009/05/20 15:50] Elanthius Flagstaff: Oh Blondin, what's the score with the viewer? I heard if you check Adult you can't see any PG or M results. Are they going to fix that or is it intended?
[2009/05/20 15:50] Gordon Wendt: Elanthius, off topic for this so we shouldn't do a whole conversationa bout it but mainly the recession and the impact it's already had, I'll admit I think Jack has done some things that aren't particulary..... well smart, but I don't think they'll do it, Ciaran and I have argued about this for quite some time actually
[2009/05/20 15:51] Elanthius Flagstaff: It's OK Gordon at the rate Blondin is going he'll never reach this far down the chat log
[2009/05/20 15:51] Blondin Linden: [15:38] Luscious Sparta: Here is a question, what is the line Linden has set for "Adult" content, and is it really only the extremes of sl's mature content? ANSWER: depends on what you consider extreme. The definitions are almost done
[2009/05/20 15:51] kestryl Appin: Almost *shakes her head*
[2009/05/20 15:51] Luscious Sparta: Thanks Blondin answer is much appreciated
[2009/05/20 15:51] Millenia Moonwall: is neko in one of those definitions? meow!
[2009/05/20 15:52] Ciaran Laval: Well to be fair it depends upon what you consider extreme Blondin ;)
[2009/05/20 15:52] Elanthius Flagstaff: WTH is adult about nekos?
[2009/05/20 15:52] Elanthius Flagstaff: Ciaran, it also depends on what he means by "almost"
[2009/05/20 15:52] Blondin Linden: 15:39] Melodie Darwin: if someone doesnt verify, and remains NPIOF are they still going to be able to access PG and Mature or only PG? ANSWER: They will still be able to access both PG and MAture
[2009/05/20 15:52] Sin Toshi: who knows...that's why we ask
[2009/05/20 15:52] Kara Spengler: nekos are adult now?
[2009/05/20 15:52] Melodie Darwin: ty
[2009/05/20 15:52] Gordon Wendt: Elanthius, I already have a few lindens and a Prokofy (whatever that is) annoyed at me at the moment, I'm happy to push boundries, you know that, but there's a limit
[2009/05/20 15:53] Elanthius Flagstaff: Blondin: I heard all furries are going to be rated as Adult from now on. Can you comment on this baseless rumour?
[2009/05/20 15:53] Blondin Linden: [15:40] Gordon Wendt: Are the lindens commited to tweaking the search restrictions indefinitely if needed until they function as intended and will there be a publicly announced plan on how people can get theexceptions that were promised for people who had legitimate use for otherwise adult terms? ANSWER: We are committed to tweaking them. If you've noticed a bunch of words have been removed based on resident feedback
[2009/05/20 15:53] Ciaran Laval: Oh Elanthius behave yerself!
[2009/05/20 15:53] Kara Spengler: Gordon: a Prok annoyed at you is a compliment :)
[2009/05/20 15:53] Vorren Voltaire: Blondin, I really think that you or someone official from LL should continue answering questions in the forums. There are alot of questions still out there, and it takes more than crowded office hours to address them.
[2009/05/20 15:53] Gordon Wendt: Blondin, thanks for the answer, and I have noticed that
[2009/05/20 15:53] Gordon Wendt: Kara, I know, I'm just disappointed that she no longer calls me out by name oon her blog
[2009/05/20 15:53] Elanthius Flagstaff: Blondin: How would we notice which words were removed? You forced us to get rid of the wiki telling us what words were included or not
[2009/05/20 15:54] Blondin Linden: [15:41] Gordon Wendt: Blondin, would giant fallace attacks be permitted in such an event if held on Ursula? :) ANSWER: Griefing is griefing no matter if its on PG, Mature or Adult
[2009/05/20 15:54] Elanthius Flagstaff: Gordin: Not communist enough I guess.
[2009/05/20 15:54] Gordon Wendt: hmm, didn't get my joke?
[2009/05/20 15:54] Qie Niangao: (btw, Kira, at the moment at least, a verified account running a 1.22 viewer *can* get to Arapaima. Dunno if there are plans to change that.)
[2009/05/20 15:54] Mosley Sperber: Blondin: "If you've noticed a bunch of words have been removed based on resident feedback" ... I have noticed that, yeah. Mostly words that are usually used in adult contexts but don't necessarily have to be adult, such as ponyplay. Howver, tits even though it can be entirely PG, is still flagged. How does that make sense?
[2009/05/20 15:55] Gordon Wendt: Blondin: What is the answer to life, the universe, and everything?
[2009/05/20 15:55] Elanthius Flagstaff: Blondin: How high do you rate the probability that someone will make a viewer that gets around the Adult filters and it becomes more popular than the regular viewer?
[2009/05/20 15:55] richard Zhichao: lol
[2009/05/20 15:55] Shadow Pidgeon: 42
[2009/05/20 15:55] Millenia Moonwall: LOL! ^-^
[2009/05/20 15:55] Shank Firecaster: lol Gordon
[2009/05/20 15:55] Blondin Linden: [15:41] Lasher Oh: thx Blondin - Follow up Question - Jack and Cyn don't seem to be singing from the same song sheet when it comes to land transfers - Cyn sugests pre speculation and aquisition pior to move is valid Jack says checks will be made into past content - which is right? ANSWER: They both are. Checks into past content will be a last resort if we feel that someone is truely trying to game the system. It's a last resort.
[2009/05/20 15:55] Ito Setsuko: Q. for Blondin: Regarding groups, if/when they also get adult flagged for keyword use, what about the thousands of Residents who are NPIOF or unverified who are already existing members of said groups? Do they remain in the group, get auto-ejected? What are the possible repurcussions?
[2009/05/20 15:55] Sin Toshi: what happens to classified ads when a previously ok word is later put on the adult list? Is the owner notified that their classified ad has changed rating due to a word ?
[2009/05/20 15:55] Gordon Wendt: Elanthius, I'm guessing it's running checks erver side so doubtful that that's possible
[2009/05/20 15:56] Shank Firecaster: (someone other than the busy guy) were words removed from just the PG searches?
[2009/05/20 15:56] Vorren Voltaire: and Sex, for crying out loud...sex , sexy, sexual.... not a dirty word, mature at best.
[2009/05/20 15:56] Ciaran Laval: No they're removed from mature search
[2009/05/20 15:56] Mosley Sperber: Shank, PG and Mature ... you can only search for "tits" with [x]Adult checked
[2009/05/20 15:57] Shank Firecaster: I haven't noticed changes in mature searches
[2009/05/20 15:57] Millenia Moonwall: Blondin, a question... are the furries (neko and such) going to end on the mature section?
[2009/05/20 15:57] Ciaran Laval: Are you using the release candidate viewer?
[2009/05/20 15:57] Elanthius Flagstaff: Blondin: PG films regularly contain drink and drugs. Have you considered renaming PG sims to G to make it clearer what it really means?
[2009/05/20 15:57] Achron Timeless: Blondin: What about overt drug use depictions? I mean, it's illegal after all, the "children" have to be protected from that as well... why the witchhunt on the natural act (and some not so natural enhancements to) of sex?
[2009/05/20 15:57] Blondin Linden: [15:42] Sin Toshi: How will object name and descriptions which are set to show in search effect your parcel? For instance in a situation where a mature parcel with appropriate name and land description also has an object using adult language visible in search, will that prevent the parcel from being visible to mature viewers? ANSWER: I read this quickly so forgive me if I misunderstood. Objects actually ON a parcel wont be filtered if they use adult words.
[2009/05/20 15:57] Elanthius Flagstaff: Millenia: That's what I heard. Not sure if it's true. Furries are adult only.
[2009/05/20 15:57] Shank Firecaster: I have no idea lol, but now I'm wondering how people are finding my place
[2009/05/20 15:58] Mosley Sperber: Shank, it's not fully implemented yet as far as I understood, and the search restrictions are currently only in websearch and the RC
[2009/05/20 15:58] Millenia Moonwall: Blondin, are we europens able to access the mature content? the age verification isn't woorking for us! (i'm italian)
[2009/05/20 15:58] Luscious Sparta: furries adult content?!
[2009/05/20 15:59] Achron Timeless: Furries adult only? WTF? THAT IS THE MOST DESCRIMINATING THING I'VE EVER HEARD!
[2009/05/20 15:59] Kara Spengler: Elanthius: well, it would be news to a lot of kid furries :)
[2009/05/20 15:59] Ciaran Laval: Elanthius you're going to start a riot!
[2009/05/20 15:59] Gordon Wendt: Elanthius, 1000L to a RFL says that's absolute bullcrap about the furries
[2009/05/20 15:59] Bettie Skytower: i am EUROPEAN tooo
[2009/05/20 15:59] Ciaran Laval: Europeans are adult content yes
[2009/05/20 15:59] Wynochee LeShelle: true
[2009/05/20 15:59] Qie Niangao: lol, Ciaran
[2009/05/20 15:59] kestryl Appin: Furries arent adult only, only if they traipse around naked, supposedly
[2009/05/20 16:00] Sin Toshi: not filttering objects seems like a loophole that will be exploited. I follow the rules, but my competition uses objects to advertise, but get around the rating system. How will LL deal with objects in search that don't match the parcel rating?
[2009/05/20 16:00] kestryl Appin: But this is a symptom of too litte information giving out to everyone. Leaving it in the blogs only is just insane
[2009/05/20 16:01] Elanthius Flagstaff: Oh wow, Sin, that's a good question. If you have a M parcel and you leave a cock on the floor does it get eliminated from search
[2009/05/20 16:01] richard Zhichao: lol
[2009/05/20 16:01] richard Zhichao: lol
[2009/05/20 16:01] Gordon Wendt: elanthius, blondin answered that a little bit up
[2009/05/20 16:01] Elanthius Flagstaff: Oh OK, I see.
[2009/05/20 16:01] Gordon Wendt: and it was answered on teh JIRA because that was a big concern for fea of griefers being able to search bomb places
[2009/05/20 16:01] Kara Spengler: Elanthius: there is a JIRA about that
[2009/05/20 16:02] Gordon Wendt: wow, massve text lag here
[2009/05/20 16:02] Elanthius Flagstaff: Oh jira, pffff, who can get to those things
[2009/05/20 16:02] Blondin Linden: [15:43] Gordon Wendt: Blondin, in regards to your last response, you're saying artistic nud[15:44] Rin Tae: Question: I do have the concern, that with such guidelines in place, and the reliance on ARs to control it, the system might be too easily abused to report people for alleged adult content violations. Given taht I have several friends now who have been suspended for nothing because itseems like there was no one investigating the reports ... how much security is provided agaisnt the abuse of the system or to prevent cases where people raprot activites thinkign that they violate the rules but that are not doign thins acually? ANSWER: Well, you bring up a good point about abusing the abuse reports. There are A LOT of AR's submitted each and everyday and each one gets special attention. I've seen it in action. The Resident team doesn't act unless they feel confident that something has actually happened that needs further investigation. ANd on that note, AR's do have to be kept secret to protect the resid
[2009/05/20 16:02] Shadow Pidgeon: what is being changed on the sign in page to let new users know that in order to view mature content they need to verify?
[2009/05/20 16:02] Blondin Linden: ents privacy
[2009/05/20 16:02] Ciaran Laval: ents? Ents are never adult content
[2009/05/20 16:03] Elanthius Flagstaff: Come on guys, give up with the sign on page thing already. It's a stupid way to announce something.
[2009/05/20 16:03] Gordon Wendt: lets not be too hasty
[2009/05/20 16:03] Kara Spengler: insvc-4192 nya linden said "Search does not look at the prims located on the land when determining if a location is Adult or not. This behavior is not planned to change, so this shouldn't be a problem.
Thank you for bringing it up, though.. if prims are included sometime in the future, we'll have to make sure we keep this behavior in mind.
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nya Linden added a comment - 20/May/09 11:41 AM Search does not look at the prims located on the land when determining if a location is Adult or not. This behavior is not planned to change, so this shouldn't be a problem. Thank you for bringing it up, though.. if prims are included sometime in the future, we'll have to make sure we keep this behavior in mind.
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[2009/05/20 16:03] Ciaran Laval: lol Gordon
[2009/05/20 16:03] Gordon Wendt: Ciaran, I'm guessing that was the reference you were making
[2009/05/20 16:03] richard Zhichao: now this is entertainment
[2009/05/20 16:03] Ciaran Laval: It was Gordon ;)
[2009/05/20 16:04] Elanthius Flagstaff: Ents almost constantly have morning wood you know, very adult
[2009/05/20 16:04] Shank Firecaster: the sign in page thing would work if it was the whole background photo that pops up when you go to log in
[2009/05/20 16:04] Lasher Oh: Questiuon - does that incude returning protest posters from private land ?
[2009/05/20 16:04] Elanthius Flagstaff: Shank: I still prefer my idea of sky writing
[2009/05/20 16:04] Sin Toshi: ty Kara...but that sounds like I can stay on mature, advertise adult simply by using object descriptions for juicy adult terminology...and If I play it straight, my competition will do it :(
[2009/05/20 16:04] Shank Firecaster: I agree :)
[2009/05/20 16:04] Blondin Linden: [15:48] Elanthius Flagstaff: Oh end of june? So The Aporncalypse happens at the same time as the Homestead price increase? ANSWER: It's bad timing - I know. But the two have nothing to do with each other.
[2009/05/20 16:04] Elanthius Flagstaff: Sin: But no-one can type adult words into the search
[2009/05/20 16:04] Millenia Moonwall: Blinden, i repeat my question... Are we europens having support for enter the mature section? because we europens don't have the age verification system...
[2009/05/20 16:05] Bixyl Shuftan: (SLN) Blondin, can you tell us if age-verification will be designed to protect the anonimity of users?
[2009/05/20 16:05] Ciaran Laval: Sin in terms of relevancy you're going to be left trailing in the wake of adult land
[2009/05/20 16:05] Luscious Sparta: SL is a US based company, so the changes will effect all countries
[2009/05/20 16:05] Kira Welty: What is Phase II and beyond?
[2009/05/20 16:06] Ciaran Laval: lol Elanthius, they''ll have wood on the filter list if you keep it up.....no pun intended
[2009/05/20 16:06] Sin Toshi: ciaran, not me personally. but I want to have clear understanding of what is possible on my mature parcel :)
[2009/05/20 16:06] Vorren Voltaire: One almost gets the impression that the information is being repressed and that linden labs is doing bare minumums to inform residents while quiety sweeping adult content under the rug.
[2009/05/20 16:06] Ciaran Laval: Well they said from the start that this isn't about preventing people selling sex beds on mature land...you just can't advertise a sex bed in classifieds as sex is filtered
[2009/05/20 16:07] Blondin Linden: [15:49] Bixyl Shuftan: (SLN) Blondin, can you tell s what will happen to landowners and businessmen/women who decline to rate their land? ANSWER: I'm assuming you mean Private estate owners as they are the only ones who have to flag regions. In reality, not to much unless they get AR'ed. Then the Resi team will come in, look around and decide what to do. Most like, it'll be a few IM's asking the owner to flag.
[2009/05/20 16:07] Sin Toshi: well, you can advertise all the salacious stuff you want in the object description of said sex bed
[2009/05/20 16:07] Gordon Wendt: Ciaran, the filtering doesn't match teh restrictions
[2009/05/20 16:07] richard Zhichao: i think most people aregoing o need a laywer for this one
[2009/05/20 16:07] Roslynd Turbo: Blondin: The draft 'definitions' are fairly vauge and subjective - you have mentioned getting final ones soon - are these much tighter or basically the same as the draft that is currently there (the one that has any photo-realistic nudity as being adult) ie: all good quality skins = adult
[2009/05/20 16:08] Shank Firecaster: anyone into lawyer RP?
[2009/05/20 16:08] Ciaran Laval: Classifieds in search all are tied to land and content rating of the advert at the moment, not sure if RC2 fixes that
[2009/05/20 16:08] Elanthius Flagstaff: Roslynd: Seriously, is there any definition that would satisfy you that still achieved LL's intended goals?
[2009/05/20 16:08] Blondin Linden: [15:50] Elanthius Flagstaff: Oh Blondin, what's the score with the viewer? I heard if you check Adult you can't see any PG or M results. Are they going to fix that or is it intended? ANSWER: Seems to work for my RC viewer. There are check boxes for ADULT< MATURE AND PG. Check any and all that you want to see
[2009/05/20 16:08] Luscious Sparta: >_< so default skin = adult content? doubt it, just more "adult flared skins I imagine
[2009/05/20 16:08] Elanthius Flagstaff: OK, so you can check PG+Adult and skip Mature or any combo thereof? Can someone else answer, I don't want to wait 30 minutes for Blondin to catch up
[2009/05/20 16:09] Gordon Wendt: Ciaran, considering that ads haven't been showing up correctly for quite some time it's surprising that people still buy them
[2009/05/20 16:09] Shadow Pidgeon: in search on the 1.23 yes
[2009/05/20 16:09] Ciaran Laval: Elanthius at the moment, if you select PG you don't see any mature or adult ads but you will see mature parcels that haven't been flagged as mature content
[2009/05/20 16:09] Millenia Moonwall: meow!
[2009/05/20 16:10] Shank Firecaster: hmmm, I wonder if my giant latex boobs will count as non-mature.......just implants...
[2009/05/20 16:10] Blondin Linden: [15:53] Elanthius Flagstaff: Blondin: I heard all furries are going to be rated as Adult from now on. Can you comment on this baseless rumour? ANSWER: in no shape , way or form, are furries going to be generally classified as Adult.
[2009/05/20 16:10] kestryl Appin: Shouldn't LL have thought of this long ago before they opened it up to unverified accounts in 2006, and wasnt setting up PG and Matue sims next to each other asking for trouble?
[2009/05/20 16:10] Adorabella Felisimo: Blondin, will traffic scores still affect search rankings?
[2009/05/20 16:10] Elanthius Flagstaff: Blondin: You skipped my question about how many sims you will auction.
[2009/05/20 16:11] Blondin Linden: [16:00] Sin Toshi: not filttering objects seems like a loophole that will be exploited. I follow the rules, but my competition uses objects to advertise, but get around the rating system. How will LL deal with objects in search that don't match the parcel rating? ANSWER: Abuse Reports
[2009/05/20 16:11] Qie Niangao: (oooo! maybe we could get it so only adult-verified accounts generate Traffic.)
[2009/05/20 16:11] Lasher Oh: Question - Many people have bought mainland parcels in the same region to provide prims to support their core business - however 2/3rds of land may not look adult will we be left with a turkey when only a 1/3rd is allowed to move for free?
[2009/05/20 16:11] Blondin Linden: 16:01] Gordon Wendt: and it was answered on teh JIRA because that was a big concern for fea of griefers being able to search bomb places ANSWER: I believe this is the correct reason
[2009/05/20 16:13] Gordon Wendt: I think Blondin is actually starting to catch up, since most of the questions have been asked
[2009/05/20 16:13] Blondin Linden: [16:03] Elanthius Flagstaff: Come on guys, give up with the sign on page thing already. It's a stupid way to announce something. ANSWER: It has proven to get a lot of attention and it will be something we utilize in the future about communiting this to a wider audience
[2009/05/20 16:13] Millenia Moonwall: meow! answer my question pls!
[2009/05/20 16:13] Elanthius Flagstaff: We could just repeat all the questions from the first half of the meeting
[2009/05/20 16:13] kestryl Appin: What about assurances I wont get stuck wiith my (hopefully still) popluar club in a sim with another equally popular club?
[2009/05/20 16:13] richard Zhichao: oh god no
[2009/05/20 16:13] Lucy Padroclum: he hasn't answered either of mine yet...
[2009/05/20 16:14] Ciaran Laval: People need to download the release candidate viewer to get an overview of why this is going to affect everyone
[2009/05/20 16:14] Blondin Linden: [16:04] Lasher Oh: Questiuon - does that incude returning protest posters from private land ? ANSWER: are you talking about the signs I returned? The sign on my land? THe signs that were causing lag? Didn't I leave one out for good faith?
[2009/05/20 16:14] Kara Spengler: and have the viewer break? :)
[2009/05/20 16:15] Ciaran Laval: It's working rather well for me to be fair Kara :p
[2009/05/20 16:15] Shank Firecaster: (psst, anyone have copies of the protest posters they could throw my way please?)
[2009/05/20 16:15] kestryl Appin: Nooo, Blondin, the ones that Scarlet returned that I am pretty sure you know about
[2009/05/20 16:15] Kara Spengler: Blondin returning the signs was ok, as he said, he left one out
[2009/05/20 16:16] Blondin Linden: [16:04] Millenia Moonwall: Blinden, i repeat my question... Are we europens having support for enter the mature section? because we europens don't have the age verification system... AANSWER: I know that laws in Europe are a bit different but there are many Europeans who are already verified. Off the top of my head Lord Sullivan is verified.
[2009/05/20 16:16] Shadow Pidgeon: the 1.23 has increased FPS and is pretty stable so far
[2009/05/20 16:16] Millenia Moonwall: thanks for your answer, meow ^^
[2009/05/20 16:16] Ciaran Laval: I'm verified from Europe
[2009/05/20 16:16] Shank Firecaster: (thanks) :)
[2009/05/20 16:16] Bettie Skytower: whats with japanese?
[2009/05/20 16:17] Mosley Sperber: I'm unable to verify with Aristotle (from Europe)
[2009/05/20 16:17] Bettie Skytower: am i verified?
[2009/05/20 16:17] Gordon Wendt: from everything I've read about those laws most of those European arguments are straw-men
[2009/05/20 16:17] Bettie Skytower: dont know that
[2009/05/20 16:17] Ito Setsuko: I'm unable to verify with Aristotle (UK)
[2009/05/20 16:17] Gordon Wendt: for some countries there are a few issues but I don't think LL can be entirely blamed for that
[2009/05/20 16:17] Blondin Linden: [16:05] Bixyl Shuftan: (SLN) Blondin, can you tell us if age-verification will be designed to protect the anonimity of users? ANSWER: No one is forcing you to use Aristotle. That is just one way. You can do it by having a payment relationship with Linden and your identities will not be any less secure
[2009/05/20 16:17] Wynochee LeShelle: Blondin, my croatian friend cannot verify....
[2009/05/20 16:17] Elanthius Flagstaff: I verified from Europe as well. BUT IT DOESN'T MATTER BECAUSE YOU DON'T NEED TO DO ANYTHING WITH ARISTOTLE TO AGE VERIFY
[2009/05/20 16:17] Ciaran Laval: Gordon I'm not even sure what these laws are, you're not protected by the European data protection act if you give your details to companies outside of Europe, that's a personal choice, not a legal one
[2009/05/20 16:18] Rin Tae: LL can be blamed to have hired a firm taht is untrustworthy
[2009/05/20 16:18] Millenia Moonwall: and what about others who =can't= for whatever reason, but who DO want to?
[2009/05/20 16:18] Mosley Sperber: That's true of course, Elanthius ;)
[2009/05/20 16:18] Millenia Moonwall: for example, here in italy i can't verify it...
[2009/05/20 16:19] Ciaran Laval: buy some Linden dollars on the exchange and you'll be verified
[2009/05/20 16:19] Blondin Linden: [16:06] Ciaran Laval: Well they said from the start that this isn't about preventing people selling sex beds on mature land...you just can't advertise a sex bed in classifieds as sex is filtered ANSWER: Correct.
[2009/05/20 16:19] kestryl Appin: What about assurances I wont get stuck wiith my (hopefully still) popular club in a sim with another equally popular club?
[2009/05/20 16:19] Millenia Moonwall: ciaran, we can't do that...
[2009/05/20 16:19] Bettie Skytower: is it so easy
[2009/05/20 16:19] Millenia Moonwall: italy don't have the service
[2009/05/20 16:19] Millenia Moonwall: for buy lindens
[2009/05/20 16:19] Ciaran Laval: Italy doesn't have Visa or mastercard?
[2009/05/20 16:20] Gordon Wendt: Rin, I have yet to see it proved that Aristotle is untrustworthy
[2009/05/20 16:20] Millenia Moonwall: we have, but we don't have the service for buy the lindend...
[2009/05/20 16:20] Storyof Oh: sex be stores that ask to move should therefore be allowed to move free
[2009/05/20 16:20] Bettie Skytower: i have no visa and no mastercard
[2009/05/20 16:20] Bettie Skytower: and i dont want to
[2009/05/20 16:20] Ciaran Laval: Paypal?
[2009/05/20 16:20] Bettie Skytower: i have paypal
[2009/05/20 16:20] Lindal Kidd: Blondin, pardon me, but that's disingenuous. You can sell a product, but not advertise it? Come on.
[2009/05/20 16:20] Triss Gray: unproved? it is a fact that you can easily verify with dead people's data
[2009/05/20 16:20] richard Zhichao: move free laughing
[2009/05/20 16:20] Millenia Moonwall: i have paypal too... and tried
[2009/05/20 16:20] Triss Gray: that's how good they check stuff
[2009/05/20 16:20] Achron Timeless: the more I sit in on this, the more it becomes clear that no matter how much the userbase protests these changes, the userbase who pours money into LL's pockets daily, these changes are still going to happen despite the fact that only a vocal minority wants them. Talk about bad customer service.
[2009/05/20 16:20] Triss Gray: whereas many "real" and "good" data is not accepted
[2009/05/20 16:21] Elanthius Flagstaff: Achron, it's really taken you this long to work that out?
[2009/05/20 16:21] Blondin Linden: [16:07] Roslynd Turbo: Blondin: The draft 'definitions' are fairly vauge and subjective - you have mentioned getting final ones soon - are these much tighter or basically the same as the draft that is currently there (the one that has any photo-realistic nudity as being adult) ie: all good quality skins = adult ANSWER: The formatt will look the same but we've taken the chance to explain a bit about photo realistic. THe word will still be in there, but no, it doesn't apply to the selling of skins
[2009/05/20 16:21] Gordon Wendt: Triss, then they are no less trustworthy than teh US government
[2009/05/20 16:21] Storyof Oh: u got it Achron
[2009/05/20 16:21] Roslynd Turbo: Thanks (fewh)
[2009/05/20 16:21] richard Zhichao: damn yanks
[2009/05/20 16:21] Achron Timeless: well I for one refuse to spend another dime on this game
[2009/05/20 16:22] Triss Gray: gordon:explain?
[2009/05/20 16:22] Bixyl Shuftan: Can you tell us why it was decided to move adult content to it's own island, rather then as some suggested create a "G rated" continent ?
[2009/05/20 16:22] Gordon Wendt: Triss, although it's less common now there is a long history in the US of dead people being able to vote, get social security cards, get drivers' licenses, get verified in other ways with the government
[2009/05/20 16:22] Vorren Voltaire: Blondin, does linden labs have any intention of opening up additional lines of communication or conversation on this matter? Will we see any more brown bags or forum conversations or are we reduced to the just office hours?
[2009/05/20 16:22] Lindal Kidd: Blondin, where in the TOS or Community Standards will it be stated that adult content is OK on private land, and that these changes apply only to BUSINESSES?
[2009/05/20 16:22] Rin Tae: if somoen can sue dead people data to verify or get rejected because te firm that claims to have the data uses either old data or simply lies and does nto have it at all, then I consider the firm not to be able to fulfill what it was hired for and I would not trust it with my own personal data .. of course, I do not put out any data on the internet, so I mgiht be extreme in my vews compared to amny people outthere
[2009/05/20 16:23] Triss Gray: gordon: ah I see. but that's still no excuse for a firm offering those services imho
[2009/05/20 16:23] Gordon Wendt: Triss, one of the main ways illegal immigrants get jobs is by buyingand using the social security (identification) number of someone who died as an infant
[2009/05/20 16:23] Blondin Linden: [16:10] Adorabella Felisimo: Blondin, will traffic scores still affect search rankings? ANSWER: I don't know
[2009/05/20 16:23] Ciaran Laval: I still don't know why they can't flag all mature land as mature by default and put the onus on the parcel owner to flag it as PG safe
[2009/05/20 16:23] Triss Gray: if that's the degree of correctness, then just filling in your age will do as well :-)
[2009/05/20 16:23] Kara Spengler: Blondin: number-wise the argument of adult vs PG could have been made when you were talking 'only 2-4%' and 'the most extreme' .... but as soon as it was clear that *any* sex related content was banned the saales shifted
[2009/05/20 16:23] Elanthius Flagstaff: Ciaran, personally I think they should just move the whole mainland over to M. Get rid of all mainland PG sims
[2009/05/20 16:24] Elanthius Flagstaff: And tough pants to anyone who complains
[2009/05/20 16:24] Mosley Sperber: Ciaran, hmmm, would it be PG safe if the neighbour in plain sight is mature, though
[2009/05/20 16:24] Kara Spengler: [not that banning PG would be better either though]
[2009/05/20 16:24] Ciaran Laval: Mosley explicit content isn't supposed to be in plain sight anyway
[2009/05/20 16:24] kestryl Appin: Very much so, Kara, and given that Cyb said in effect anyone should be able to get a swap, imagine the hell that is going to break loose
[2009/05/20 16:24] Triss Gray: then look the other way if you don't like what you see :-p
[2009/05/20 16:24] Mosley Sperber: Well that's true, CIaran, but when has LL ever cared about that? ;>
[2009/05/20 16:24] kestryl Appin: Cyn*
[2009/05/20 16:24] Ciaran Laval: Which is why we're in this mess Mosley ;)
[2009/05/20 16:24] Blondin Linden: [16:11] Lasher Oh: Question - Many people have bought mainland parcels in the same region to provide prims to support their core business - however 2/3rds of land may not look adult will we be left with a turkey when only a 1/3rd is allowed to move for free? ANSWER: I believe that all holds can be combined and moved over. If only a section of your land is ADULT, you can move it all, not just that portion
[2009/05/20 16:25] Elanthius Flagstaff: Blondin: You skipped my question a second time. How many sims are you going to auction?
[2009/05/20 16:25] Mosley Sperber: Ciaran, yeah, exactly. What I keep saying is, they should just have enforce their old (current) rules, instead of adding new ones (that they won't enforce either, history tells us ..)
[2009/05/20 16:25] Gordon Wendt: Elanthius, I agree in general if done well, pretty much explicit sex or images of explicit sex = adult, everything else = mature, they'd need to use a better filter though that took context into account
[2009/05/20 16:25] Storyof Oh: thats a good call on the land blondin
[2009/05/20 16:25] Millenia Moonwall: Blondin, what about others who =can't= for whatever reason, but who DO want to? because here in italy we don't have the "buy linden" service...
[2009/05/20 16:26] Gordon Wendt: in businesses I mean, not in private of course
[2009/05/20 16:26] Mosley Sperber: Gordon, yeah. Or at least allow for *exceptions* to the filter, if "context" isn't doable
[2009/05/20 16:26] Gordon Wendt: Mosley, they've promised that but haven't delivered yet on that, currently artistic and other legitimate uses are being filtered which s BS
[2009/05/20 16:27] Shank Firecaster: we could all just stop spending money and cyber in IMs :P
[2009/05/20 16:27] Mosley Sperber: Gordon, they've promised? First I've heard of that. All I hear is "tough luck, you want to advertise your birds, move to Ursula"
[2009/05/20 16:27] Zodd Nolder is Offline
[2009/05/20 16:27] Ito Setsuko: Q: (it was missed last time I was here, and has been so far today, so I'll just ask it one more time before giving up)...Regarding groups, if/when they also get adult flagged for keyword use, what about the thousands of Residents who are NPIOF or unverified who are already existing members of said groups? Do they remain in the group, get auto-ejected? Possible repurcussions?
[2009/05/20 16:27] Gordon Wendt: Yeah, I forget where but they said that they'd work out a way for artistic uses to not get filtered, I haven't heard anything since though
[2009/05/20 16:27] Blondin Linden: [16:19] kestryl Appin: What about assurances I wont get stuck wiith my (hopefully still) popular club in a sim with another equally popular club? ANSWER: We will be very concious of our placements.
[2009/05/20 16:28] Ciaran Laval: Same with people who sell medieval/Gorean clothing Mosley, they're told tough even though there's nothing adult about the items. Goreans look for medieval too so I guess it will be fine
[2009/05/20 16:28] GreenKnight Kaul: I don't see any dots there on big map, I also thought private can have 80 avatars?
[2009/05/20 16:28] kestryl Appin: Yes, hehe, I cant wait until you open, the mess it will be
[2009/05/20 16:28] Xantarius Cain: Hi Blondin: Linden Lab has previously stated that private sim owners will not be affected much (other than having search terms for those sims filtered if the residents performing the search is not age-verified). TWO QUESTIONS: (a) Will private sims be required to rate themselves as "adult" if they contain adult material? (b) Will adults who have not been age-verified be locked out of these private "adult" sims? IF YES to both, private sims will be affected more than previously thought. IF NO, this presents a HUGE hole in the age-verification security that LL is building. Please explain.
[2009/05/20 16:28] Mosley Sperber: Ciaran, yeah .... well pretty much everybody understands why and how the filter is pointless
[2009/05/20 16:28] Gordon Wendt: Ciaran, true but I find it personally hard to stand up for the Goreans even if I agree with the principle behind their arguments
[2009/05/20 16:28] Elanthius Flagstaff: Haha, Blondin has been lowering the avatar limit on his sim to reduce the number of people shouting at him in this meeting
[2009/05/20 16:29] Millenia Moonwall: LOL! ^-^
[2009/05/20 16:29] Gordon Wendt: LL is probably less anti-gorean than I am though
[2009/05/20 16:29] Ciaran Laval: Xantarius if someone on your sim is selling adult content you have to flag the whole sim as adult
[2009/05/20 16:29] Blondin Linden: [16:20] Lindal Kidd: Blondin, pardon me, but that's disingenuous. You can sell a product, but not advertise it? Come on. ANSWER: If you rely on those key words, ie if thats the market you want to focus your advertising on, then you should be on adult land. Apply for a move
[2009/05/20 16:29] Elanthius Flagstaff: How can you be anti-Gorean? They're such a declicious source of nourishing drama
[2009/05/20 16:30] Mosley Sperber: Well they did remove ponyplay from the filter, because the ponyplayers argued that there doesn't have to be anything sexual about ponyplay. Tits are still inherently sexual for some reason, though.
[2009/05/20 16:30] Storyof Oh: what if ursula runs out of room for everyone thst wants to go there?
[2009/05/20 16:30] kestryl Appin: As the word Gor isnt inherently sexual, its madness I tells you, Madness!
[2009/05/20 16:30] Elanthius Flagstaff: Storyof: What, you mean to ask is, how many sims will you auction?!?!
[2009/05/20 16:30] Xantarius Cain: Blondin: Why has no Linden Lab employee been assigned to the JIRA ticket that has been opened to oppose these changes (http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/MISC-2727)? The forum discussion thread was closed after a short time, and we feel that we have no way to discuss these changes with Linden Lab. Further, the fact that no employee has been assigned to the JIRA ticket has made most Residents believe that Linden Lab has no desire to discuss this issue with us. It seems set in stone, regardless of how we, as Residents, feel about the changes. Is that an accurate assessment?
[2009/05/20 16:30] Gordon Wendt: as a book snob and an academic I dislike Gor because the author is one step above L. ron Hubbard in terms of writing skill
[2009/05/20 16:30] Mosley Sperber: I still wonder how it will be guaranteed that ursula land prices don't skyrocket
[2009/05/20 16:31] Gordon Wendt: and that's just the books though
[2009/05/20 16:31] Blondin Linden: [16:20] Achron Timeless: the more I sit in on this, the more it becomes clear that no matter how much the userbase protests these changes, the userbase who pours money into LL's pockets daily, these changes are still going to happen despite the fact that only a vocal minority wants them. Talk about bad customer service. ANSWER: But if you notice, we've changed a lot of what we originally had in mind based on resident feedback.
[2009/05/20 16:31] Gordon Wendt: what's funny is that people argue that BDSM isn't sexual
[2009/05/20 16:31] Milla Janick: Are there plans for the G-Team to resume their office hours? I assume many people here would be interested in speaking to them about the implimentation of the Adult Content policy.
[2009/05/20 16:31] Elanthius Flagstaff: Mosley: That sounds to me like you're asking how many sims the will auction.
[2009/05/20 16:31] kestryl Appin: By itself it isnt, it relates to a lifestyle
[2009/05/20 16:31] Ciaran Laval: Gordon I have no clue what Gor is all about, all I know if they've always paid their rent on time and have eye catching builds and the rest is something I don't pay much attention to
[2009/05/20 16:31] Mosley Sperber: Elanthius, hmm, sounds familiar. Wasn't that one from your unanswered list? ;)
[2009/05/20 16:32] Storyof Oh: will adult land be the same value as mature and PG L$3.2 sq m???
[2009/05/20 16:32] GreenKnight Kaul: Blondin, It's been stated by Jack a couple of times now they only intend to put 50-70 sims available for the swap. Is this number fixed or is it flexible?
[2009/05/20 16:32] kestryl Appin: Its all in the context, Gordon
[2009/05/20 16:32] Kira Welty: D/s is not inherently sexual
[2009/05/20 16:32] Qie Niangao: (oh, Gordon, Norman is even worse than L.Ron H... but Goreans are a lot less dangerous than... uh... nevermind. :o)
[2009/05/20 16:32] Bettie Skytower: hahaha
[2009/05/20 16:32] Achron Timeless: So basically "We're still locking you in a cage, but look, we put a comfy pillow in there because you complained about it!" Still a cage...
[2009/05/20 16:32] Lucy Padroclum: Blondon "changing a lot" isn't good enough. If enough people don't want change that you changed what you were going to alter, then why not call the whole thing off since that amount of people must be significant?
[2009/05/20 16:32] Elanthius Flagstaff: Does Blondin's batteries run flat exactly at 4:30?
[2009/05/20 16:32] Gordon Wendt: Qie less entertaining then Tom Cruise on Oprah's couch though
[2009/05/20 16:32] Xantarius Cain: EXACTLY, Achron. :-)
[2009/05/20 16:32] Blondin Linden: [16:22] Vorren Voltaire: Blondin, does linden labs have any intention of opening up additional lines of communication or conversation on this matter? Will we see any more brown bags or forum conversations or are we reduced to the just office hours? ANSWER: The Brownbags are over. But we'll be opening another forum thread which I'll be actuivly back on once the update blog goes out.
[2009/05/20 16:33] Storyof Oh: remember this IS VIRTUAL BDSM and Gor....and gore....and sex
[2009/05/20 16:33] Gordon Wendt: Blondin, actively or "actively"? the latter being closer to the previous discussion forums
[2009/05/20 16:33] kestryl Appin: And updating the original post to show where the new thead is?
[2009/05/20 16:33] Qie Niangao: (lol, yes, true, Gordon. But then when was the last time Oprah interviewed an Ubar?)
[2009/05/20 16:33] Xantarius Cain: Blondin: Is Linden Lab willing to put the adult content changes to a vote that will be displayed on login to all users and make the results public? If yes to a vote...is Linden Lab willing to honor the wishes of the residents should the vote call for an end to the adult content changes?
[2009/05/20 16:33] Lindal Kidd: Blondin says:" But if you notice, we've changed a lot of what we originally had in mind based on resident feedback." I don't see that at all, other than a couple of minor changes to the search filters. The definitions STILL are far stricter than necessary and contradict what you and others have told us informally.
[2009/05/20 16:33] Blondin Linden: [16:22] Lindal Kidd: Blondin, where in the TOS or Community Standards will it be stated that adult content is OK on private land, and that these changes apply only to BUSINESSES? AAANSWER: the TOS will be changed to relfect all these changes around adult contetn
[2009/05/20 16:33] GreenKnight Kaul: Blondin, will the general announcement of the "adult" changes happen before a new TOS or after?
[2009/05/20 16:33] Mosley Sperber: has the infamous KB6010 (I think is the number) been updated yet?
[2009/05/20 16:34] Kara Spengler: [btw, I removed the sign since it is 4:30]
[2009/05/20 16:34] kestryl Appin: And open up LL to a flurry of unfarir practices, changing the product after it's been sold
[2009/05/20 16:34] kestryl Appin: And STILL selling
[2009/05/20 16:34] Shank Firecaster: Xantarius, I like your idea
[2009/05/20 16:34] Gordon Wendt: Kestryl, feel free to try to sue them, only a handful of people have tried and fewer have been successful
[2009/05/20 16:35] Gordon Wendt: and incidentally BBB complaints have no effect, LL alread has an F from the BBB so they probably could care less
[2009/05/20 16:35] richard Zhichao: something wicked comes this way
[2009/05/20 16:35] Blondin Linden: [16:25] Elanthius Flagstaff: Blondin: You skipped my question a second time. How many sims are you going to auction? ANSWER: I dont lknow. Depends on how many are left after the swap I suppose
[2009/05/20 16:35] Gordon Wendt: the quote is "Something wicked this way coms " I believe
[2009/05/20 16:35] Gordon Wendt: *comes
[2009/05/20 16:36] richard Zhichao: buy some more evers
[2009/05/20 16:36] richard Zhichao: server
[2009/05/20 16:36] Ciaran Laval: They are, class 6 is coming
[2009/05/20 16:36] Elanthius Flagstaff: Blondin: How many sims are there to start with?
[2009/05/20 16:36] Blondin Linden: [16:25] Millenia Moonwall: Blondin, what about others who =can't= for whatever reason, but who DO want to? because here in italy we don't have the "buy linden" service... ANSWER: A support ticket would be the best best.
[2009/05/20 16:36] Vorren Voltaire: Blondin, is "First come first served" still the idea for the land swap?
[2009/05/20 16:36] Adorabella Felisimo: the brown bags said they would open up more land if needed
[2009/05/20 16:36] Lasher Oh: Last Question - Blondin if you had a chance to do this all over again what would you do differently?
[2009/05/20 16:36] Gordon Wendt: oh god, that means more drama with drama with who gets to keep the old rates
[2009/05/20 16:37] Shank Firecaster: how would first come first served work if they're going to be conscious about how close clubs and such are put together?
[2009/05/20 16:37] Kara Spengler: not get assigned to the task? :)
[2009/05/20 16:37] Ciaran Laval: Gordon more likely Grandfathered sims will be moved to class 6 to reward early adopters and the new purchasers will pay more, they can run more to a core at lower costs on the new servers I believe
[2009/05/20 16:37] Shank Firecaster: it'll be most money, first served
[2009/05/20 16:38] Blondin Linden: [16:27] Ito Setsuko: Q: (it was missed last time I was here, and has been so far today, so I'll just ask it one more time before giving up)...Regarding groups, if/when they also get adult flagged for keyword use, what about the thousands of Residents who are NPIOF or unverified who are already existing members of said groups? Do they remain in the group, get auto-ejected? Possible repurcussions? I dont know what will happen to those memebers.
[2009/05/20 16:38] Elanthius Flagstaff: Ciaran, how is that more likely? They've never upgraded sims for free before
[2009/05/20 16:38] Ciaran Laval: I was being facetious Elan
[2009/05/20 16:38] Ito Setsuko: (thank you Blondin)
[2009/05/20 16:38] Elanthius Flagstaff: Ah, subtle!
[2009/05/20 16:38] Gordon Wendt: Blondin, are you wishing you chose a field other than public relations? :)
[2009/05/20 16:38] Ciaran Laval: I still don't know why grandfathered sims keep status on transfer
[2009/05/20 16:39] Mosley Sperber: Jack didn't answer that one last week, did he?
[2009/05/20 16:39] Lucy Padroclum: Blondin, how many people actually asked for this and do they outnumber those that have voted against it?
[2009/05/20 16:39] Ciaran Laval: Nope, he skipped it
[2009/05/20 16:39] Mosley Sperber: Gotta try again tomorrow
[2009/05/20 16:39] Bettie Skytower: hihihi
[2009/05/20 16:39] Gordon Wendt: Ciaran, nor do I, same with why some things like certain rate hikes were crandfathered and others weren't
[2009/05/20 16:39] Blondin Linden: [16:28] Xantarius Cain: Hi Blondin: Linden Lab has previously stated that private sim owners will not be affected much (other than having search terms for those sims filtered if the residents performing the search is not age-verified). TWO QUESTIONS: (a) Will private sims be required to rate themselves as "adult" if they contain adult material? (b) Will adults who have not been age-verified be locked out of these private "adult" sims? IF YES to both, private sims will be affected more than previously thought. IF NO, this presents a HUGE hole in the age-verification security that LL is building. Please explain. ANSwer: yes to a and yes to b
[2009/05/20 16:40] Elanthius Flagstaff: Mosley: Jack did answer it. He specifically said there were no plans to end grandfathering soon
[2009/05/20 16:40] Lindal Kidd: Lucy, LL thinks there are "millions of potential customers" who want this, so they're willing to throw us overboard.
[2009/05/20 16:40] Mosley Sperber: Elan, ah, ok, I must've missed htat (or forgotten it already ;>)
[2009/05/20 16:40] Blondin Linden: [16:28] Elanthius Flagstaff: Haha, Blondin has been lowering the avatar limit on his sim to reduce the number of people shouting at him in this meeting ANSWER: Not true. I never shy away!
[2009/05/20 16:40] Ciaran Laval: yeah Elan but he didn't explain how rewarding early adopters was a justified reason for allowing new people to get hold of grandfathered sims
[2009/05/20 16:41] Gordon Wendt: Lindal, more likely the figure that even teh people upset about this won't leave so they'll still end up ahead
[2009/05/20 16:41] Gordon Wendt: they'reprobably right
[2009/05/20 16:41] Elanthius Flagstaff: Ciaran: That sort of question isn't likely to get an answer in my experience
[2009/05/20 16:41] Bettie Skytower: thx
[2009/05/20 16:41] Gordon Wendt: *they're
[2009/05/20 16:41] Mosley Sperber: Gordon, nope, the "millions of potential customers" was an actual Linden quote, sadly
[2009/05/20 16:42] Storyof Oh: the millions of birds in bushes...not the tit variety
[2009/05/20 16:42] Gordon Wendt: Mosley, there aren't even a million non bot av's, or total av's I don't hink
[2009/05/20 16:42] Shank Firecaster: I wonder if bots were the ones who voted for Adult areas.
[2009/05/20 16:42] Gordon Wendt: think
[2009/05/20 16:42] Blondin Linden: [16:30] Mosley Sperber: Well they did remove ponyplay from the filter, because the ponyplayers argued that there doesn't have to be anything sexual about ponyplay. Tits are still inherently sexual for some reason, though. ANSWER: Google Tits.
[2009/05/20 16:42] richard Zhichao: can we say bush
[2009/05/20 16:42] Elanthius Flagstaff: My bots hate seeing naked people. So it's possible
[2009/05/20 16:42] Lindal Kidd: Statement: Adult content is secondary, to me. The instant there is a competitor out there who deals HONESTLY with their customers, I'll be gone, whether or not they have sex there.
[2009/05/20 16:42] Mosley Sperber: Blondin: Google Ponyplay.
[2009/05/20 16:42] Lindal Kidd: good evening, all.
[2009/05/20 16:42] Gordon Wendt: but whatever it s the point stands that there is no competiton currently for LL, the places that might compete have high barriers and costs for content creators and even those that don't have no free market like SL has, thus no competition
[2009/05/20 16:42] Blondin Linden: Ok, Thats it for me tonight
[2009/05/20 16:43] Shadow Pidgeon: cya lindal
[2009/05/20 16:43] Elanthius Flagstaff: I did set up a program to vote on Jira's with all my bot accounts. So if anyone needs a couple thousand votes on some issue, let me know
[2009/05/20 16:43] Gordon Wendt: thanks Blondin
[2009/05/20 16:43] Shank Firecaster: google Roman showers too, just for fun :P
[2009/05/20 16:43] Wynochee LeShelle: hahaha
[2009/05/20 16:43] richard Zhichao: well that was easy
[2009/05/20 16:43] Blondin Linden: Ill be back next week!
[2009/05/20 16:43] Lucy Padroclum: dammit, still didn't answer mt questions...
[2009/05/20 16:43] Lasher Oh: lol good response mosely :-)
[2009/05/20 16:43] Kira Welty: take care
[2009/05/20 16:43] Storyof Oh: omg
[2009/05/20 16:43] Ciaran Laval: Cheers Blondin
[2009/05/20 16:43] Qie Niangao: thanks Blondin.
[2009/05/20 16:43] Achron Timeless: yay, nothing acomplished!
[2009/05/20 16:43] richard Zhichao: i was hoping for coffee and donuts
[2009/05/20 16:43] Kara Spengler: Blondin: betcha can hardly wait :)
[2009/05/20 16:43] kestryl Appin: Argh, crashed again
[2009/05/20 16:43] Storyof Oh: thanks blondin
[2009/05/20 16:44] Mosley Sperber: Lasher, doubt he read it though ;)
[2009/05/20 16:44] Lasher Oh: bye Blondin thx hope to see more of you in forums the silent treatment only builds resentment
[2009/05/20 16:44] Gordon Wendt: with nwhere to go these people won't quit for the most part, SL may los a few but not many people compared to teh whole group that is annoyed
[2009/05/20 16:44] Milla Janick: Thank you for your time, Blondin.
[2009/05/20 16:44] Bixyl Shuftan: Well, thank you for your time
[2009/05/20 16:44] Mosley Sperber: Thanks for your time, Blondin
[2009/05/20 16:44] Gordon Wendt: damn typing lag
[2009/05/20 16:44] Bud Fhang: Thanks for the comments, Blondin. Go find an adult beverage.
[2009/05/20 16:44] Milla Janick: Come back to the forum, please!
[2009/05/20 16:44] Kara Spengler: thank you Blondin
[2009/05/20 16:44] Adorabella Felisimo: thanks Blondin
[2009/05/20 16:44] richard Zhichao: i want to watch her to adsend up into heaven like jesus
[2009/05/20 16:44] Elanthius Flagstaff: Yeah, good work Blondin, lots of helpful answers to stupid questions
[2009/05/20 16:44] Lasher Oh: and tell the lawyers to get a life
[2009/05/20 16:44] Elanthius Flagstaff: But I beg you, have mercy, please cancel the plans to make furries adult!
[2009/05/20 16:45] Ciaran Laval: It's whether we see an economic slowdown Gordon that will be more to the point. It's all speculation whether we will
[2009/05/20 16:45] Shank Firecaster: he said they weren't making furries adult
[2009/05/20 16:45] Storyof Oh: now to read the notecards lolllll
[2009/05/20 16:45] Qie Niangao: (uh oh. I turned my cam and now it's gotta download all the images all over again... so time to bail. Have fun ev'rybody.)
[2009/05/20 16:45] Triss Gray accepted your inventory offer.
[2009/05/20 16:45] Storyof Oh: my most freaking experience here was a 'birth' and it was a furry.....
[2009/05/20 16:45] Lasher Oh: transcription coming up :-)
[2009/05/20 16:46] Gordon Wendt: Ciaran, the timing is bad with the RL slowdown people might just decide it's no longer worth it, that being said you can have fun withotu putting any money in, I haven't actually bought L$ or had a premium for over 2 years
[2009/05/20 16:46] Mosley Sperber: you gave birth to a furry, Storyof?
[2009/05/20 16:46] Gordon Wendt: probably longer actually
[2009/05/20 16:46] Storyof Oh: no i attende lol
[2009/05/20 16:46] Ito Setsuko: ((did anyone get all of that for the SLapt.me wiki?))
[2009/05/20 16:46] richard Zhichao: well all in all that went......?
[2009/05/20 16:46] Ciaran Laval: Yeah Gordon but you don't rent from me :p I went on a campaign in escort areas, those ladies are good tenants but umm if they go out of business I'm going to be needing new renters!
[2009/05/20 16:46] Shank Firecaster: so.......isn't it orgy time or something? seems appropriate :P
[2009/05/20 16:46] Storyof Oh: very rosemarys baby
[2009/05/20 16:47] Achron Timeless: hah
[2009/05/20 16:47] Kara Spengler: scroll ... copy .... paste
[2009/05/20 16:47] Trosia Masala: we will go folks......)
[2009/05/20 16:47] Mosley Sperber: All in all that went like every week, richard.
[2009/05/20 16:47] Kara Spengler: [or just leave chat logging on]
[2009/05/20 16:47] Gordon Wendt: Ciaran, rl economists could have a field day just by sutying the escort and stripping business in SL
[2009/05/20 16:47] Storyof Oh: wouldnt all fit on one note for me....
[2009/05/20 16:47] Gordon Wendt: studying
[2009/05/20 16:48] Trosia Masala: do we need SL if SL abondons us .......? has this questions been answered?
[2009/05/20 16:48] Gordon Wendt: I'm sure I'm going to get some hat IM's later for my comments at the beginning of the meeting
[2009/05/20 16:48] Ciaran Laval: lol I'm sure they could Gordon it's rather a vibrant part of the economy from clothes makers, landlords and gadget makers
[2009/05/20 16:48] Shank Firecaster: SL isn't the only grid'
[2009/05/20 16:48] Achron Timeless: yeah and those other grids are looking more appealing
[2009/05/20 16:48] Trosia Masala: I was blocked out of the region for over an hour...........
[2009/05/20 16:48] Shank Firecaster: I believe it started with Active Worlds (which is still open)
[2009/05/20 16:48] Bettie Skytower: hihi
[2009/05/20 16:48] Shank Firecaster: blocked for what?
[2009/05/20 16:49] Trosia Masala: it was not visible even
[2009/05/20 16:49] Bixyl Shuftan: By the way, my newspaper accepts "Reader Submitted" articles if anyone wants to send in a comment.
[2009/05/20 16:49] Ciaran Laval: ok time to head out, have fun guys
[2009/05/20 16:49] Trosia Masala: "full"
[2009/05/20 16:49] Gordon Wendt: by Ciaran
[2009/05/20 16:49] Della Dreamscape: same here Trosia
[2009/05/20 16:49] Trosia Masala: let all the creatives go Lindens
[2009/05/20 16:49] Lasher Oh: I feel or protest has been registered :-)
[2009/05/20 16:50] Shank Firecaster: can we just send in crude bitchy quotes? :P
[2009/05/20 16:50] Trosia Masala: let them go
[2009/05/20 16:50] Trosia Masala: we will do so we understood
[2009/05/20 16:50] Lasher Oh: and I also feel that nows the time to turn up the heat
[2009/05/20 16:50] Achron Timeless: The end result: Instead of a cage, we get a gilded cage, and we should be satisfied with that
[2009/05/20 16:50] Gordon Wendt: Achron, yeah if you like instability, no real currency/ virtual currency exchange, no content protection, spotty scripting, no standardized physics, scripting, or anything else between grids
[2009/05/20 16:50] Della Dreamscape: well said Lasher
[2009/05/20 16:50] Gordon Wendt: some grids have some or most of it but none of them have all of it which still makes SL appealing
[2009/05/20 16:50] Trosia Masala: we dont want to but its not ours any more
[2009/05/20 16:50] Bixyl Shuftan: Some might look for a peice of wire to pick the cage's lock
[2009/05/20 16:51] Trosia Masala: oh they will
[2009/05/20 16:51] Achron Timeless: Instability... this is SL isn't it? I think that's a given LOL
