Sun, 11/01/2009 - 22:01
Present: Rin Tae, Smoke Wijaja, Triss Gray, Ernest Newman, Any1 Gynoid
- Topic for next Tuesday's discussion will be free, but as always focussed on SLDM/LL issues
- Party next saturday will be sung by Fodie
- Ernest formulated the idea to organize an event about alternative grids, and especially opensim. A presentation about what it is, how it can be used, the state it is in, etc. Ernest would try to contact some of the people involved in that project, since it would be beneficial to get input from them in this event. Triss Gray was also willing to do a bit of explanation/demo if the opensim people wouldn't want to. Smoke Wijaja formulated the opinion that he had nothing against a presentation about the subject, but wanted it to be an event separate from the weekly events, and it should take place inside SL, not on an opensim, though a demo could be organized. Also, metaplace could be part of this event.
- About the subject of e-voting, the gnu.free project came up as being the furthest evolved. Even that one has some problems regarding security of the votes/voting system. More information about this subject would be very welcome
- SLDM will try to parttake in the next Human Rights Festival(march through june). We should try to investigate what we can do there. LL is getting involved with the whole subject, by organizing some video contest. Someone should try to go to the next HRF meeting.
- About the movie: building the prep building for filming, more results expected next week.
- An urgent call for action: now that we have established a "theoretical base", it's time for action to be taken! All ideas about what , where, how and when are welcome!
- we could have a one day event at multiple locations simultaneaously
- Ernest Newman: I think an excellent tactic for SLDM would be to go to Welcome Areas, and pass out comprehensive notecard list of progressive events and places in SL (including SLDM ones)...not to spam the crowd, but to work the crowd, talk to people, see who wants the schedule, and get freindship with them, send group invites, if intertested. Smoke said that he would prefer that to be about sldm only, since working for other groups promotion woiuldn't be beneficial, and too much trouble.
- Triss proposed to make summaries of each meeting ,and put them up here on the board so everyone can formulate comments on them. This may help to see what has been discussed, and possibly draw in more people next time. We will also post conversation logs, but these summaries are much more easy to read quickly and stay up to date
- Triss proposed that it may appeal more to people when clear "working groups" would be established, eg a music/events team, a builders team, a blogging team,... Having a clear structure, stuff to do might be more appealing to people then just "please help us".
Full chat log follows in tne next post.
[11:14] Rin Tae: I got booted
[11:14] Smoke Wijaya: region crashed right?
[11:14] Rin Tae: I think so
[11:14] Smoke Wijaya: thats the 3d time today
[11:14] Smoke Wijaya: that I know off
[11:14] Rin Tae: hmm
[11:14] Triss Gray: I think the lindens made new years resolutions to angry their clientele further in 2009 :-)
[11:15] Smoke Wijaya: anyway Rin ... this artist....
[11:15] Rin Tae: yes?
[11:15] Smoke Wijaya: he/she would be willing to play this saturday?
[11:15] Rin Tae: he is willing, yes
[11:15] Smoke Wijaya: cool
[11:16] Smoke Wijaya: fine by me
[11:16] Triss Gray: there does seem to be a lot of traffic o few sims further, they could be on the same server and thus cause the dropouts
[11:16] Smoke Wijaya: but so can any sim anywhere on the grid....
[11:16] Rin Tae: he is offline right now, but I will get in touch with him and make sure everythign is set up before wednesday
[11:16] Smoke Wijaya: awesome
[11:17] Triss Gray: let's hope we have less no shows in 2009 :-)
[11:17] Smoke Wijaya: I hope we will have some more luck this time :)
[11:17] Smoke Wijaya: ok, tuesday discussion
[11:17] Smoke Wijaya: oh Rin, you make invitation, or?
[11:17] Rin Tae: I know him for a while now and i trust him to tell me if something would prevent him fro mcoming
[11:18] Smoke Wijaya: cool
[11:18] Smoke Wijaya: Wb Ernest
[11:18] Rin Tae: I will not have that much time this week .. I have an exam on thursday .. it wont be hard, but I want to sepend my time reading for it anyways
[11:18] Rin Tae: wb ernest
[11:18] Smoke Wijaya: understand Rin
[11:19] Smoke Wijaya: Ernest, topic for tuesday discussion....
[11:19] Smoke Wijaya: any idea?
[11:19] Ernest Newman: Gaza?
[11:19] Smoke Wijaya: we can also make a free topic one again...
[11:19] Rin Tae: our wishes for a new year in SL
[11:19] Smoke Wijaya: no Ernest ... SLDM discussion .. SL/LL focussed...
[11:19] Triss Gray: we could make it a bit of a new years reception style
[11:20] Smoke Wijaya: how do you both mean?
[11:20] Smoke Wijaya: with the new years thingy...
[11:21] Rin Tae: I have jsut said it half as a joke, but it would be a open discussion I think
[11:21] Triss Gray: I mean to make it this once more of a meetup/chat then really a "hardcore" discussion... a bit like a new years reception
[11:22] Smoke Wijaya: get some wioshes of us..demands/goals..and make them into topics of discussion?
[11:22] Smoke Wijaya: ok...I see
[11:22] Smoke Wijaya: ok, I can agree with that .. make it open topic .. free discussion .. but of course with a bit of focus on SL/LL
[11:23] Triss Gray: perhaps even go as far as to ask people to dress formal, and have "drinks" and stuff, people see mto like that rp-light aspect sometimes :-)
[11:23] Rin Tae: sure they are
[11:23] Smoke Wijaya: we better do that maybe then with saturdays party...
[11:23] Ernest Newman: How about a presentation on the OS Grid, like, where it is at right now, in development, viability, where it might go in the coming year
[11:23] Triss Gray: myes, but a party is different, then there's music etc
[11:24] Ernest Newman: do we have anyone experienced with OS Grid, who could report on it?
[11:24] Smoke Wijaya: not going to give a presentation of the OS grids .. but is surely a good idea to find some OpenSim people who might want to do a talk about it
[11:24] Smoke Wijaya: but I would propose to have that next to the normal discussion
[11:24] Rin Tae: yes, but we wont be able to until tuesday I think
[11:24] Smoke Wijaya: no, either way
[11:24] Smoke Wijaya: neither*
[11:24] Smoke Wijaya: whatever
[11:24] Rin Tae: finding people and making them come to talk about something is soemthing that needs more time
[11:24] Smoke Wijaya: yes
[11:25] Smoke Wijaya: but is nice idea...
[11:26] Ernest Newman: by Open Sim, you mean in SL, which is not OS Grid...may I ask, why not OS Grid? Isn't it in an SL format?
[11:26] Smoke Wijaya: what?
[11:26] Ernest Newman: not clear what distinction you are making?
[11:26] Ernest Newman: "not OS Grid", but "yes, Open Sim"?
[11:26] Smoke Wijaya: OpenSimulator = OpenSim .... what you me an within SL iS OpenSpace
[11:27] Ernest Newman: but open space is just a low use regular sim, right?
[11:27] Triss Gray: btw, if someone is interested in a beta invitation for metaplace
[11:27] Smoke Wijaya: OS Grid is but one of the grids that is created on the OpenSimulator code...
[11:27] Smoke Wijaya: yes Ernest
[11:27] Smoke Wijaya: but talking about OpenSim
[11:27] Smoke Wijaya: like you
[11:27] Triss Gray: lol, well, one of the things in such a presentation could be to make the differences clear :-)
[11:28] Ernest Newman: kk...yes...my understanding that more options foer democratic management, with Open Source coding
[11:28] Smoke Wijaya: brb
[11:28] Ernest Newman: rather than proprietary LL coding
[11:28] Rin Tae: I would beta test it .. but I have not that much time I think
[11:29] Ernest Newman: My understanding of the tech is very rudimentary, virtually retarded, heh....
[11:29] Triss Gray: I'm not involved with the opensim people as such, but I could make a little explanation about the technical side/diufferences etc
[11:29] Triss Gray: but not by tuesday :-)
[11:30] Triss Gray: I would even try to keep the tech mumbo jumbo in laylmans terms :-)
[11:30] Ernest Newman: well, Smoke seems to object to that as a topic...not clear why...
[11:31] Smoke Wijaya: back
[11:31] Triss Gray: well, these discussions are meant to focus on "direct" sldm topics
[11:31] Triss Gray: and there is a point in that many people already seem to think we hate sl because we point out flaws in it
[11:31] Smoke Wijaya: no, I dont object to having OpenSim as topic for the discussion .. I objected to giving a PRESENTATION on OS grid.....
[11:31] Triss Gray: wb rin
[11:31] Smoke Wijaya: Wb Rin
[11:31] Rin Tae: ty
[11:31] Triss Gray: well, as a discussion topic it's a bit difficult
[11:32] Ernest Newman: well, that's what I don't understand...seems the OS Grid is relevant to SLDM goals...can you clarify smoke?
[11:32] Triss Gray: there's not that much to "discuss" about it actually
[11:32] Ernest Newman: or, not, heh...not looking to hold up meeting
[11:33] Triss Gray: and as long that there isn't even a basic way to jump from/to alternative grids or alternative sims
[11:33] Triss Gray: I don't think that many people will feel the urge to go there, except as a small experimentation
[11:33] Rin Tae: so maybe we ake this and discuss the pros and cons of interoperatbility
[11:33] Smoke Wijaya: yes Ernest, sure it is relevant to SLDM and goals ... very much. But I dont think WE should give a PRESENTATION, but actual knowledgable people from OpenSimulator. but I do think this might be a good idea to have as event, a PRESENTATION.
[11:33] Triss Gray: don't ever underestimate the "draw" existing social networks have to keep people where they are, even if discontented
[11:34] Smoke Wijaya: not as DISCUSSION topic for Tuesday discussion, as Triss said, there is not much to discuss about OpenSimulator
[11:34] Rin Tae: a presentation as an event would be great too of course
[11:34] Ernest Newman: yeah, well...the potential seems large, but was wondering about where it stands now, in development...but yes, a demonstration even, would be great
[11:35] Ernest Newman: whatever...I should do my own research, lol...just was thinking it would be an interesting topic, or aganda item, to mention where it's at presently
[11:35] Rin Tae: hey Any1
[11:35] any1 Gynoid: Hiya Rin!
[11:36] any1 Gynoid: Hiya Ernest!
[11:36] Rin Tae: it can be.. when you do your research Ernest, you can tell us what cam out of it and then we will see if we can put together a presentation or not
[11:36] Smoke Wijaya: so why dont we go for this tuesday discussion being with open topic, free ( but SL/LL/metaverse related) and in the meantime try to find some people from OpenSimulator to maybe give a presentation soon about state of affairs here at the HQs??
[11:36] Smoke Wijaya: Hi Any1
[11:36] any1 Gynoid: Hiya Smoke!
[11:36] Triss Gray: ernest: I think we all agree it's interesting and all that, but it just doesn't immediately fit in any of the existing events
[11:36] Rin Tae agrees with Smoke
[11:37] any1 Gynoid: Hiya Triss!
[11:37] Triss Gray: hey any1
[11:37] Ernest Newman: I can try some research, heh, but my expertise is so low...usually any explanations assume one knows way more than I do...but yes, I agree...lets see if we can get someone to present sometime soon..
[11:38] Smoke Wijaya: and while we are at it ... why dont we also see if we can get someone from Metaplace to do a talk here .. around the avatr rights in ToS etc ... and also maybe try to contact someone around finished ( but stopped) projects around e-voting??
[11:38] Rin Tae: that would be great Ernest
[11:38] Triss Gray: well, it's not just about research, would be indeed very handy to have someone who's involved with it to give explanation
[11:38] Triss Gray: A demo is something I could arrange though
[11:39] Rin Tae: the e-voting might be a problem . I don't think that we will find someone and form what I ahave seen, all failed at the same point of unsufficient security and the only one pushing it are some firms saying questionable things about their systems and their security
[11:39] Triss Gray: but at the same time a demo would be clumsy, since it'd require logging of and on to another grid again
[11:40] Rin Tae: rather then demo, it would work to jsut tell about it
[11:40] Rin Tae: I think it would be enough
[11:40] Smoke Wijaya: ok Rin ... I see
[11:40] Rin Tae: at least this is what I have found when lookign for e-voting, Smoke
[11:41] Ernest Newman: Well, even a report on e-voting that summarizes its present non-viability would be of interest...
[11:41] Ernest Newman: without going way into it, just a report, that it's out of the questions, really, at present, heh
[11:42] Ernest Newman: no way to secure it
[11:42] Ernest Newman: unless there are ideas for potential evenutal means to secure
[11:42] Smoke Wijaya: well,I just think for some reason that this guy might be a good chance: http://www.free-project.org/
[11:42] Smoke Wijaya: http://www.free-project.org/users/#3
[11:43] Smoke Wijaya: is about that GNU.FREE system
[11:44] Rin Tae: tyty
[11:44] Triss Gray: seems well thought trough at the first glance
[11:45] Rin Tae: I´ll do the reading later.. it seems like there is a lot interting things .. also about e-voting... but on the first glance he seemed to share my opinion
[11:45] Rin Tae: *seems
[11:45] Smoke Wijaya: oh yes...he stopped it due to security issues
[11:45] Smoke Wijaya: but I think is most promising basis
[11:46] Smoke Wijaya: open .. free .. ready ..
[11:46] Smoke Wijaya: anyways...
[11:47] Rin Tae: Any1 told me about the human rights festival I have also written about in the forum .. is there anythign new about it?
[11:47] any1 Gynoid: yes
[11:47] any1 Gynoid: new video for Robert Avro...
[11:47] any1 Gynoid: but the big news
[11:47] Triss Gray: mm, but a lot of his objections are the same with a paper and pen voting system
[11:47] any1 Gynoid: besides Juni getting a RL job doing SL activistm work... is...
[11:48] Triss Gray: eg the whole it's not because nobody is caught there is nothing wrong adage is the same there
[11:48] Smoke Wijaya: never got a job offer for that
[11:48] Smoke Wijaya: lol
[11:48] Ernest Newman: wow!
[11:48] any1 Gynoid: LL is co-sponsoring a "we are the world" style music video with Amnesty... they are running an original music contest through month end to pick the song.. and they want like all SL musicians involved
[11:49] any1 Gynoid: its clearly a direct spin off of HRF
[11:49] Ernest Newman: excellent! LL actually does and says some pretty progressive stuff!
[11:49] Smoke Wijaya: I had a huge fight with the owner of the 2 sims that was hosting HRF sandbox and something else btw .. this right wing ass, who was a greek, apologized for the police shooting a kid....and was opposed to the people demonstrating...
[11:50] any1 Gynoid: yes... i've heard that they will send a press release about their Amnesty partner ship this week... human rights music video plans
[11:50] Ernest Newman: oww...how do such relationships even happen?
[11:50] any1 Gynoid: i am astounded myself... i think we hit such a huge home run.. that somebody got a bright idea
[11:50] Ernest Newman: sounds like what happened with last big event, where sim owner was uptight
[11:50] Smoke Wijaya: even Amnesty International reports about greek state violence and lack of prrosewcution did not get this ass so far as to allow me to place a info stall..
[11:51] Triss Gray: pretty progressive? in what way is putting your company in the picture by letting other peoiple do all teh handywork progressive?
[11:51] Smoke Wijaya: yeah
[11:51] any1 Gynoid: previously they told us... "we are neutral"... lol.. we can't favor any SL activities over others...
[11:51] Smoke Wijaya: they do...
[11:51] any1 Gynoid: like... the SHOWCASE does not exist LOL
[11:51] Smoke Wijaya: always did...
[11:51] Smoke Wijaya: yep
[11:51] Ernest Newman: well Triss..most companies don't Even try to pretend to be progressive, lol
[11:51] Smoke Wijaya: Ernest, they keep banning us for freaking rallies....
[11:52] Smoke Wijaya: Rascal and some turkish people are still banned....
[11:52] Smoke Wijaya: IP banned...
[11:52] Triss Gray: neutral? they've never ever been neutral
[11:52] Smoke Wijaya: indeed
[11:52] Smoke Wijaya: anyways, how can SLDM be part of this?
[11:53] Rin Tae: if we can help then I think we should .. even if it would only be by offering a place for some event
[11:53] Smoke Wijaya nods
[11:53] any1 Gynoid: the LL involvement is definately a blindside for us organizing HRF... intuitively... it feels more like somebody got drunk with SL staff.. than anything else... like flakey ppls are leading this
[11:54] any1 Gynoid: but its harmless
[11:54] Smoke Wijaya: "FIC"
[11:54] Smoke Wijaya: :)
[11:54] Triss Gray: December 28, 2008 by Rin Tae
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Any1 told me recently about a new Human Rights Festival being orgenised for march through June. She asked if we want to help, and I said yes. I hope it was okay. Anyways, what are the thoughts about this?
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good idea... some loose
Submitted by Triss Gray on Mon, 29/12/2008 - 19:13.
good idea...
some loose thoughts about activities we could do there
-have a manned (when possible) "boot" there, with some general info... manned meaning regularly containing live sldm members to explain to people who we are etc
-perhaps a big/high profile/formal discussion about avatar rights?
-MC smoke bringing an SLDM rapsong ;-)
[11:54] Triss Gray: http://www.sldemocraticmovement.org/forum/human_rights_festival
[11:54] Smoke Wijaya: brb, my food is getting black I think
[11:55] any1 Gynoid: like they will run this contest... for the best song.. and Amnesty will vote on it... then they will do a music video... and it will be "big"... and and ... wtf... the rest will be up to us anyways
[11:55] Rin Tae: okay
[11:55] Triss Gray: running a contest doesn't even cost them a dime
[11:55] Triss Gray: or will they give away some prize except amnesty fame?
[11:56] Smoke Wijaya: k back
[11:56] any1 Gynoid: we have not planned the next human rights gig... seriously... we can start that discussion anytime... even now..
[11:57] Ernest Newman: lol...I'm not saying they are all That progressive...but that they do some better, more progressive stuff and assertions than many capitalist companies...their rhetoric is fairly progressive, and we should press the contradictions between that and their practice, when appropriate, heh
[11:57] Smoke Wijaya: agreed with the latter
[11:57] Smoke Wijaya: last*
[11:57] Ernest Newman: any talk about doing something about Gaza, any1?
[11:57] Smoke Wijaya: I was thinking .. we need to really step up activities of SLDM .. go out... rally .. whatever
[11:57] Rin Tae: yes Smoke
[11:58] Ernest Newman: a sticky one, to avoid supoorting "terrorists" on either side, call for peace and justice
[11:58] Smoke Wijaya: Wb Triss
[11:58] Rin Tae: wb Triss
[11:58] Triss Gray: not good, I tried to donate money to sldm ands I crashed :-)
[11:59] Smoke Wijaya: no not good that :)
[11:59] Smoke Wijaya: Hello Ikatz, welcome
[11:59] Ikatz Beck: hello
[12:00] Smoke Wijaya: I will at leats send out notice to ask for ideas around actions ...
[12:00] any1 Gynoid: umm i think there will be a new ground truth within a month... a wholly new situation... then we can figure out which contradictions need to be examined through actions
[12:00] any1 Gynoid: umm regarding Gaza i mean
[12:00] Smoke Wijaya: "new grund truth"?
[12:00] Smoke Wijaya: ground*
[12:01] Ernest Newman: yeah....that's probly why they are moving now, is to get it done before Obama takes office...either to avoid ekmbarrassing him, or to avoid a major change in US policy...not sure which
[12:01] any1 Gynoid: this is a bloody terrible war... fight to the death... from both sides...
[12:01] Triss Gray: what struck me especially about that whole gaza thing was the denyong of any humanitarian drama
[12:02] Triss Gray: "no no, there's no need for extra aid, the storage locations are filled to the brim with food"
[12:02] Triss Gray: 1) that means the people are not getting it
[12:02] Rin Tae: yes.... there is a humanitarian crisis in gze going on since months
[12:02] Rin Tae: *gaza
[12:02] Smoke Wijaya: Ernest, both Obama and Clinton have spoken at AIPAC wit unconditonal support for Israel and heavy retaliation to Iran should do ever dare
[12:02] Triss Gray: 2) they are being bombed, how much more of a crisis could one get ointo :-p
[12:03] Smoke Wijaya: should they**
[12:03] Smoke Wijaya: anyways, let us focus for a bit still on SLDM and its goals..and leave Gaza for later and SLLU and other groups...ok?
[12:03] Ikatz Beck: hi! where are you from?
[12:03] Rin Tae: of course it wasn'T like Hamas has doen much to change the situation .. despite all the millions they have been being paid by theri supporters in IRan .. but missiles are more important then food and medcine
[12:03] Triss Gray: on the other hand, this conflict is the fault of both sides, neither one wants to give away an inch
[12:03] Smoke Wijaya: I think we are all from different countries Ikatz .. but I am dutch
[12:03] Ikatz Beck: ok,I am basque
[12:03] Triss Gray: Belgian
[12:04] Triss Gray queues laughter
[12:04] Rin Tae: yes.. both sides have done their shit to fule this, ... but let'S get back to SLDM as Smoke suggested
[12:04] Rin Tae: *fule
[12:04] Smoke Wijaya: :)
[12:04] Rin Tae: ohh.. hehe.. I can'T type again .. sorry
[12:04] Triss Gray: fuel?
[12:04] Rin Tae: yes
[12:04] Triss Gray: :-)
[12:04] Ernest Newman: So, the Open Sim project seems to be resolved, as far as LL is concerned...is there still issues you want to pursue with that Smoke?
[12:04] Smoke Wijaya: ?
[12:05] Triss Gray: now you mean openspaces again I think
[12:05] Smoke Wijaya: "resolved, as far as LL concerned"?
[12:05] Rin Tae: I have not heard anything about OpenSims since the last notice form LL
[12:05] Smoke Wijaya: yeah...
[12:05] Ernest Newman: It seems they are still charging too much money?oh, right, Open Space
[12:05] Triss Gray: which are now known mostly as homestead
[12:05] Smoke Wijaya: hehe
[12:05] Ernest Newman: right, homesteads, for moderate use, Open for minimal use, full charge for heavy use
[12:06] Rin Tae: and in this case, I think they have found a solution, that was actually good in my opinion
[12:07] Smoke Wijaya: stupid bag...
[12:07] Triss Gray: well, imho the openspace thing was just very badly communicated, as always
[12:07] Ernest Newman: right? It does seemk they listended, and negotiated in good faith, pretty much...not an ideal situ, but they seem to have made the most of it, nmore or less
[12:07] Triss Gray: the reason behind those changes made sense
[12:07] Rin Tae: Smoke .. do oyu want to know how this smokecloud looked like as it left your ... hip area? ;)
[12:07] Smoke Wijaya: hehe
[12:07] Smoke Wijaya: I can guess...
[12:07] Triss Gray: :-p
[12:09] Smoke Wijaya: ok, tuesday open topic discussion (LL/SL/metaverse related) .. we will try to find someone from OpenSimulator willing to give a presentation about state of affairs .. saturday Rin will ask Fonde (?) to play/sing....
[12:09] Rin Tae: Fodie
[12:09] Smoke Wijaya: right
[12:09] Rin Tae: Fodie Crosby
[12:09] Triss Gray: where there any ideas as to what sldm can mean for the human rights festival?
[12:09] Smoke Wijaya: any1, can you keep us up to date with what the plans are around the next HRF?
[12:10] any1 Gynoid: meeting at 2pm SLT Thursday
[12:10] Smoke Wijaya: k
[12:10] Smoke Wijaya: maybe you can add that to the forum thread
[12:10] any1 Gynoid: http://slurl.com/secondlife/Caribbana%20Palms/120/38/690
[12:10] Triss Gray: http://www.sldemocraticmovement.org/forum/human_rights_festival
[12:10] Smoke Wijaya: thanks
[12:11] any1 Gynoid: it anyone has an idea for a spring action... we are all ears... lol.. i got 4 actually heeee!
[12:11] Smoke Wijaya: I will send out a notice to ask for ideas around actions and spreading of info....we really need to do something
[12:11] Smoke Wijaya: even if it is just several people on a welcome area for 2 hours several times....
[12:11] Smoke Wijaya: the movie ..
[12:11] Rin Tae: yes
[12:12] Smoke Wijaya: I completely deserted that the last weeks, with Greece.... sorry Rin ..
[12:12] Rin Tae: I will continue to build the prep building we have so it should be ready .. I hope this week
[12:12] Smoke Wijaya: cool...will help you this week weher I can
[12:12] Rin Tae: no problem Smoke
[12:12] Smoke Wijaya: where*
[12:12] Rin Tae: kk
[12:13] Smoke Wijaya: Any1, what you got 4 of?
[12:13] Rin Tae: the best help wold be to know what to build .. set design and what would be needed as for rooms and places
[12:13] Smoke Wijaya: ok
[12:13] any1 Gynoid: one idea that Geni Figaro discussed... for a spring gig... women's rights... its just a major disgrace even in the most advanced countries...
[12:14] any1 Gynoid: sorry... Neko's have 4 ears... 2 human... and 2 kitty ears lol
[12:14] Rin Tae: totally
[12:14] Smoke Wijaya: ah I see any1
[12:14] Smoke Wijaya: lol
[12:14] any1 Gynoid: only a 10% conviction rate in US for rape... reported cases...
[12:14] any1 Gynoid: that's like 10% of cases...
[12:14] Rin Tae: not all Any1 .. it depends on the neko and I know enough people who would wish that it wouold be possible to make the human ears disapear completly
[12:14] any1 Gynoid: like 1% justice?
[12:14] any1 Gynoid: and in UK its on ly 6% conviction
[12:15] any1 Gynoid: ahhh furries have 2 ears only... yes
[12:15] Rin Tae: this is everywhere the same ..
[12:15] Triss Gray: yes, but is that due to a lack of priority for those cases, or because it is eg hard to prove?
[12:15] any1 Gynoid: priority
[12:15] Smoke Wijaya: different reasons...
[12:15] Smoke Wijaya: not only any1...
[12:15] any1 Gynoid: dead easy to prove...
[12:15] any1 Gynoid: DNI, circumstantial... eye witness
[12:15] any1 Gynoid: DNA*
[12:16] Rin Tae: hardness to proove is mostly being put forward as an explanation
[12:16] Triss Gray: I can easily imagine soem cases where it'd be hard to prove
[12:16] Smoke Wijaya: yes, physical rape..penetration ...
[12:16] Smoke Wijaya: but is that all the cases you talk about?
[12:16] Smoke Wijaya: or also sexual abuse etc?
[12:16] any1 Gynoid: that too Smoke... its a totally broken process.... that deprives justice for women
[12:17] any1 Gynoid: human rights
[12:17] Rin Tae: but when talking aobut this you also need to think about all the cases where it isn'T reported .. out of fear for example to loose the job
[12:17] Smoke Wijaya: true
[12:17] Triss Gray: or reported "too late" when all evidence has gone
[12:17] any1 Gynoid: yup! ... only 10% are reported... experts think
[12:17] any1 Gynoid: these are only the most advanced countries... now consider... Saudi, Iran, Afghan, Paki... omg!
[12:18] any1 Gynoid: Sudan... need i continue
[12:19] Smoke Wijaya: ok, yes....and is very important issue .. but it is not something that wil bring sldm actions closer :) .. and dont think I disregard Rl causes because this is already the third time I say this ...
[12:19] any1 Gynoid: F*KIN KURDISH IRAQ has the highest female circumcism rate in the world... IRAQ IRAQ!!!! the democratic mircacle
[12:19] Triss Gray: yes, sure, but it would seem to me that there is a big difference between countries where women basically have no rights, or countries where there might just not be enough means/toiume/manpower to give each and every case the necessary attention
[12:19] any1 Gynoid: okies... don't get me started LOL
[12:19] Smoke Wijaya: lol democratic miracle .. who the fuck ever called it that?
[12:19] Smoke Wijaya: anyways...
[12:19] any1 Gynoid: lol
[12:20] Triss Gray: the same ones who claimed it to be a terrorists nest earlier?
[12:20] Rin Tae: well.. sldm actions are sldm actions, but if a HRF is being done, then we can still help with it .. as I said, even when it is only about offereing a place
[12:20] Smoke Wijaya: yes yes
[12:20] Smoke Wijaya: definetly
[12:20] Rin Tae: so who can, should go the the meeing on thursday
[12:21] Smoke Wijaya: any1, please add the time and slurl to that sldm froum thread
[12:21] Smoke Wijaya: ?
[12:21] any1 Gynoid: Human Rights Discussion 2pm SLT Thursday at
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http://slurl.com/secondlife/Caribbana%20Palms/120/38/690
[12:21] Triss Gray: thursday, that's the ...8th
[12:21] Smoke Wijaya: of the meeting thursday
[12:21] Smoke Wijaya: ok ok
[12:21] any1 Gynoid: ummm got a url handy?
[12:21] Triss Gray: http://www.sldemocraticmovement.org/forum/human_rights_festival
[12:21] Smoke Wijaya: thanks
[12:21] Triss Gray: 2 pm is a bit late for me to start a meeting though
[12:22] Smoke Wijaya: I have one today ...
[12:22] Smoke Wijaya: is very late yes..kind of..
[12:22] Triss Gray: it is kinda late when you have to work office hours :-p
[12:23] Triss Gray: at least in the CET timezone :-)
[12:23] Rin Tae: it is not that late .. I might call off my appointment in RL I have then due to going crazy after finsihing that exam I have on that day, so I might be able to come
[12:23] any1 Gynoid: you know you're getting old when you have to do password recovery... every freakin time LOL
[12:23] Smoke Wijaya: :)
[12:23] Smoke Wijaya: or just have to many accounts any1
[12:23] Triss Gray: any1: firefox password manager :-)
[12:23] Rin Tae: eek.. no password saving
[12:24] Smoke Wijaya: I wont do that either no....
[12:24] Smoke Wijaya: sounds scary...
[12:24] Triss Gray: not scarier the nhaving them sent to you in email
[12:24] Smoke Wijaya: ok
[12:24] Smoke Wijaya: but easily located/identified data
[12:24] Rin Tae: it still gives you the comforting illusion of security
[12:24] Smoke Wijaya: to target...
[12:24] Triss Gray: not when it's stored encrypted
[12:25] Smoke Wijaya: ok
[12:25] Rin Tae: I still trust my head and writing it down
[12:25] Smoke Wijaya: well, I never keep mysefl logged in into websites etc .. also delete all private data afetr every internet session...
[12:25] Smoke Wijaya: yes Rin, same here
[12:25] Triss Gray: besides, most security incidents are due to human error rather then technical fail
[12:26] Triss Gray: or at least are a combination of human error + technical loophole
[12:26] Rin Tae: and most human error is about wriitng all sorts of things into open forums or unsecure places
[12:27] Triss Gray: are there any sldm topics left to discuss?
[12:27] Smoke Wijaya: maybe I know some action for the Company btw .... I participated in this attack on Greek government servers .. to close down couple of websites .. maybe is an idea for the website of the company .. a bandwidth rape attack on the corp website.
[12:27] Rin Tae: not for now ... only the future actions that we should do
[12:28] Smoke Wijaya waits to be slapped against the head....
[12:28] Triss Gray: attack on sl website?
[12:28] Smoke Wijaya: I wonder if Ll has its equivalent of Echelon
[12:29] Rin Tae: well.. if you vanish in the next few moments, then yes
[12:29] Triss Gray: nah, they wouldn't do that
[12:29] Triss Gray: if you have a monitoring system, it's way more interesting to let people believe they aren't monitored
[12:29] Smoke Wijaya: anyway, I was only half serious...
[12:29] Triss Gray: at least untill you are ready for a decisive strike
[12:29] Smoke Wijaya: other actions is what we need
[12:30] Triss Gray: anyway, I don't see what you'd achieve by DOS-ing the ll webservers
[12:30] Triss Gray: or greek govt webservers for all that matters
[12:30] Smoke Wijaya: not DOS...
[12:30] Smoke Wijaya: but take them down...send message...get attention...
[12:30] Triss Gray: defacing?
[12:31] Smoke Wijaya: bandwidth rape..
[12:31] Triss Gray: bandwidth rape = DOS
[12:31] Smoke Wijaya: nah, it aint I thought...
[12:31] Freemason Magic is Offline
[12:32] Triss Gray: well, DOS attack is a way of "overusing" a service untill it is hardly responsicve anymore
[12:32] Smoke Wijaya: bandwidth rapeis even legal, well "legal" when not done with bots
[12:32] Smoke Wijaya: well, by feeding it shit
[12:32] Triss Gray: not that luch difference by tryin to make the mùpay a lot for bandwidth
[12:32] Smoke Wijaya: bandwidth rape is by asking it constantly for more and more
[12:32] Triss Gray: *typonese alert*
[12:33] Triss Gray: well, sounds like the same thing to me
[12:33] Triss Gray: whether you ask more and more until the service collapses or not is a "detail"
[12:34] any1 Gynoid: the LL websites are "challenged" enough... lol.. nobody could tell it wasn't just another LL breakdown lol...
[12:34] Triss Gray: but the practice of willingly putting a "false" high demand on a service is a DOS attack
[12:34] Triss Gray: besides, I still don't see what that would achieve?
[12:34] Smoke Wijaya: ok
[12:34] Triss Gray: besides a small annoyance
[12:34] Smoke Wijaya: .
[12:34] any1 Gynoid: i don't think we should be skirting the edges of legality in our discussions... the purpose of SLDM should be peaceful resistance... i think
[12:35] Triss Gray: agreed
[12:35] Rin Tae totally agreed
[12:35] Triss Gray: but i'm still curious as to what the purpose of it would be
[12:35] Triss Gray: :-)
[12:35] Smoke Wijaya: but yeah Triss, you are right, the effect is a DOS...but legally there is a difference in the method used
[12:36] Triss Gray: how's that? you are in both cases knowingly and willingly trying to bring down or hinder a service
[12:36] Triss Gray: whether you do that by clicking refresh a hundred times each
[12:36] Smoke Wijaya: just relaying what I have been told
[12:36] Triss Gray: or by executing some script/virus
[12:36] Smoke Wijaya: and read
[12:36] Smoke Wijaya: anyways, never mind .. sorry for bringing it even up...
[12:37] Smoke Wijaya: lets think about rallies or something ... or some inginious way to spread info ...
[12:38] Smoke Wijaya: http://sldemocraticmovement.org/forum/inworld_protestsdemos_ie_time_action
[12:38] Smoke Wijaya: I will send out a notice as said
[12:38] Rin Tae: we had this idea once, about posting lots of events and providing info or other events on the places where the SLURs would lead to
[12:39] Smoke Wijaya: yes...coordinated with many people...or rather, cal out a day of action...
[12:39] Triss Gray: event redirection spam? :-)
[12:39] Rin Tae: yes
[12:39] Smoke Wijaya: and ask people to make a event posting .. eithe rof true event in connection to userrights etc .. or just event listing with some protest slogan or text and redirect to another more central event
[12:40] Rin Tae: yes.. but each should at least lead to a place wiht info
[12:40] Smoke Wijaya: yes
[12:40] Triss Gray: mm, i'm not entirely sure that "flooding" the event list like that wouldn't annoy people rather then convince them to come
[12:41] any1 Gynoid: the most effective action.. (besides IBM) that affected most SL ppls I know was the human chain (burma issue)... on Common Wealth... been trying to reproduce something like that forever lol..
[12:41] Smoke Wijaya: Triss, I think many many , also when this isc alled out for well in advance, will be ok with it and even support it
[12:41] Rin Tae: it would not be that flooded .. I even think, that most of the event listings will be lost between all the other events made on any day
[12:41] Triss Gray: depends on the zscale I guess
[12:42] any1 Gynoid: i worked because it was viral... everyone tried to bring in more ppls..
[12:42] Smoke Wijaya: and the scale can be blown up by good media storm
[12:42] Rin Tae: yes.. we have been thinking, that the events thing might be viral too since in the smallest case it jsut needs a event listing and placing the info hub we could even provide
[12:43] Smoke Wijaya: yeah, like different "centrral" events to point to...but also the ability for all to do their own events...with their own focus...
[12:43] Triss Gray: if it'd really be activities scattered all over sl, I am in favor
[12:43] Rin Tae: theoretically the system would work well .. and I would even say, that HRF might use it
[12:44] any1 Gynoid: our latest big event model... is to have each group (& sim).. organize their own day... with common theme...
[12:44] Triss Gray: if it'd just be a hundred times the same billboard redirecting to here, i'm less in favor
[12:44] any1 Gynoid: future HRFs will definately work that way
[12:45] Smoke Wijaya: yeah, lets work this out shall we, over coming wek maybe, and report back next week?
[12:45] Rin Tae: yes Smoke
[12:46] Ernest Newman: Oh hey...did you submit to that LL contest, any1?
[12:47] Ernest Newman: still have time, you know
[12:47] any1 Gynoid: no...tee hee hee... i'm already too much on front street lol
[12:48] any1 Gynoid: i could nominate a few ppls... who could take the heat lol
[12:48] Ernest Newman: $10k US worth of Lindens would go a long way!
[12:48] Ernest Newman: well, I think you should get it, for your training program
[12:48] Smoke Wijaya: ok, will get summary of meeting, with action items, ides .. tomorrow on the website....if noone else wants to do this?
[12:49] Smoke Wijaya: we need to get the points clearly .. to get something going
[12:49] Ernest Newman gave you Linden Prize.
[12:49] Triss Gray: I could do it if you have the log
[12:49] Triss Gray: I crahsed a few times, so no full log
[12:49] Smoke Wijaya: Ernest, I for one wil never beg with Ll for money
[12:49] any1 Gynoid: I am thinking the Junivers Stockholm should submit his nomination...
[12:49] Smoke Wijaya: ok Triss, will give you it without the hud and online.offline messages tomorrow
[12:49] any1 Gynoid: i have way more L$ that I need anyways... my class is cash positive lol
[12:50] Rin Tae: still you deserve it Any1
[12:50] Rin Tae: I still need to find someone who is doing as much as you
[12:50] Triss Gray: k smoke, then I should have a summary up tomorrow evening, if you get it to me in say the late afternoon
[12:50] Smoke Wijaya: check
[12:51] Ernest Newman: lol...you could always donate, it, if you don't need it, any1...and it would be great publicity for all the alternative orgs in SL
[12:51] any1 Gynoid: no worries... we'll find the right person to compete
[12:52] Smoke Wijaya: shall we end this meeting then?
[12:52] Ernest Newman: kk...would rather see some progressive or alternative group get it, rather than just some charity
[12:52] Smoke Wijaya: anything else?
[12:52] Rin Tae: I think so .. we have talked about anyhting I guess
[12:52] Ernest Newman: or business group, lol
[12:52] Smoke Wijaya: yes, and have some things for coming week...
[12:53] Triss Gray: just one little thing
[12:53] Smoke Wijaya: I will send out some notices during the week again also btw with pointing to website, to shop, donating freebies, material whatever ... music event organizing team etc etc
[12:54] Triss Gray: maybe it would be a good idea to formalize these meetings a little, eg have someone (I'm willing to do so) crystalize out each meeting in a report, which can be "approved" next meeting
[12:54] Triss Gray: sounds bureaucratic, but it'd help to focus on keypoints, and the approves are good for ironing out misunderstandings
[12:55] Smoke Wijaya: yes, we do need some more "structure" .... not to control, but to enable others to clearly see, as well as for attendants, what the line is..what plans are etc .. to enable people to act on that out of themselves
[12:55] Rin Tae: okay.. we can try that
[12:55] Triss Gray ducks and covers
[12:55] Smoke Wijaya: I dont know about the aproving on the next meeting...
[12:56] Smoke Wijaya: we also could just make sure that every meeting we someone that will make a summary
[12:56] Triss Gray: well, approve, more as in have a quick reread and see if any remarks are to be made on what's in it
[12:56] Rin Tae: well.. at least we can look over it and say if things need to be added or corrected
[12:56] Smoke Wijaya: and have the completel raw chatlog avaiable for people should they want so
[12:56] Rin Tae: so it would be aproving of some kind
[12:56] Ernest Newman: I think an excellent tactic for SLDM would be to go to Welcome Areas, and pass out comprehensive notecard list of progressive events and places in SL (including SLDM ones)...not to spam the crowd, but to work the crowd, talk to people, see who wants the schedule, and get freindship with them, send group invites, if intertested
[12:56] Smoke Wijaya: yes, but that looking over it we can also do ont her website
[12:56] Triss Gray: the "approve" is more in case the person doing the report writes things down in a way they were perhaps not meant
[12:57] Smoke Wijaya: Ernest, to wht kind of groups/events?
[12:57] Smoke Wijaya: and I say no...in any way
[12:57] Ernest Newman: progressive, alternative stuff
[12:57] Smoke Wijaya: in regard to independence
[12:57] Smoke Wijaya: when going to welcome areas I am not going to advertise for other groups...if the intention is to rally for our goals
[12:57] Ernest Newman: most of which is about democracy, and justice, etc
[12:59] Ernest Newman: ah...perhaps better for SLLU, then...but, still, info about SLDM then...go to welcome areas, meet people....seems best way to expand, grow
[12:59] Triss Gray: beside, you would have to check if these groups "allow" us to rally fort hem :-) it sounds like a huge administration
[13:00] Ernest Newman: Well, I was thinking about the calendars that any1 has issued, with a comprehensive list of who's doing what, when, where
[13:00] Smoke Wijaya: yes great.,...
[13:00] Ernest Newman: thsoe were excellent...haven't seen one recently...
[13:01] any1 Gynoid: Thx everyone! It was great to meet with you! ... I need to run!
[13:01] Smoke Wijaya: anyways, we should just focus on our goals I think .. they are complicated enough already.....
[13:01] Ernest Newman: and, if SLDM was the one passing it out, I think people would remember that, heh....but it would also be a good tactic for SLLU to do
[13:01] Rin Tae: bye Any1!
[13:01] Smoke Wijaya: alright Any1, have a good day, see you later :)
[13:01] Triss Gray: bye any1!
[13:01] any1 Gynoid: Happy New Years! Hugs and Solidarity!
[13:01] Smoke Wijaya: Happy New Fear to you too
[13:01] Rin Tae waves and hugs
[13:02] Smoke Wijaya: Ernest, SLDM imo should really just focus on userrights and democratic structures for SL/Metaverse.....
[13:03] Ernest Newman: so...I was distracted by IM...skimmed the chat history, but didn't noticve a specirficv tactic, or issue identified that SLDM would focus on....was there one, or some?
[13:03] Smoke Wijaya: sorry?
[13:03] Rin Tae: userrights and democratic structure in virtual worlds .. that the issue
[13:04] Smoke Wijaya: we are no SLLA anymore Ernest
[13:05] Smoke Wijaya: we decided quite a while back we would just start focus on SL related issues .. and leave the RL issues .. like we stil did in the beginning, like organzing the antiG8 demo
[13:05] Ernest Newman: SLLA? lol...I don't get what you mean...
[13:05] Smoke Wijaya: together with CPSL, SLDM organized that one...
[13:06] Rin Tae: and it turned out nice
[13:06] Smoke Wijaya: not SLLU like they tried to show when they hijacked it with their pics and posting on Indymedia
[13:06] Rin Tae: we also helped with the L4P demo
[13:06] Smoke Wijaya: SLLU (Plot and Higgle) did not want to work with us because of personal distrust because of SLLA history...
[13:06] Ernest Newman: hijacked? how so?
[13:06] Smoke Wijaya: yes Rin, true
[13:07] Smoke Wijaya: Ernest, by making it seem with that posting it was theirs
[13:07] Ernest Newman: how is G8 relevant to SL?
[13:07] Smoke Wijaya: it was not....
[13:07] Smoke Wijaya: thats the thing...we eventually decided to just focus on SL...
[13:07] Ernest Newman: oh...kk
[13:07] Smoke Wijaya: and shed the RL causes part that we took with us with change from SLLA to SLDM
[13:08] Ernest Newman: So...upshot of meeting is to do what, exactly, material, toward SLDM goals?
[13:08] Smoke Wijaya: what meeting?
[13:08] Smoke Wijaya: this one?
[13:08] Smoke Wijaya: we have every sunday a memebrship meeting to discuss and decide about next cours eof action of SLDM...
[13:08] Ernest Newman: lol..not being snide...just spaced out by IM...can you give me a one or two line summary?
[13:08] Smoke Wijaya: no...
[13:09] Smoke Wijaya: well..
[13:09] Smoke Wijaya: let me try..
[13:09] Smoke Wijaya: but I did like three times already I think..
[13:10] Smoke Wijaya: tuesday SL Issues Discussion will be open topic one, free discussion, albeit SL/LL related as always. Rin will set the artists for saturdays party ( we have each saturday a party). We willwork further on the setting(s) for the SLDM promo video this week....
[13:11] Triss Gray: we will ask again for fresh action ideas, one of which would be to have "several events in different places at the same time"
[13:11] Smoke Wijaya: ...we will send out a notice and brainstorm about actions for SLDM to spread message..with forum thread. We will send out a notice and make forum thread around the idea for a grid wide action day call out .. and specifics around that...
[13:12] Smoke Wijaya: will send out general info once more this week, like our shirts, faq, pointing to our websiote, store, need for memebrs to donate builds, money, land allowance etc...point once more to our regular events, point once more to the need for Music Event Organzing team...
[13:13] Smoke Wijaya: was there more?
[13:13] Rin Tae: no, I tink tht covers it
[13:13] Rin Tae: *that
[13:13] Smoke Wijaya: Triss will place the summary of the meeting tomorrow on the website...
[13:13] Triss Gray: and smoke will send me the stripped conversation log to base that on
[13:13] Smoke Wijaya: yes
[13:14] Ernest Newman: kk...well, I guess i didn't miss anything after all...guess it just seems kind of ....general, non specific, in a way...
[13:14] Triss Gray: hehe, though most of the summary has just been spoken :-)
[13:14] Smoke Wijaya: it kind of is Ernest...
[13:15] Ernest Newman: still casting about, soliciting ideas for specific "action"...or issue
[13:15] Ernest Newman: to grab onto, and wressle with
[13:15] Smoke Wijaya: we have specific goals, focusses...
[13:15] Ernest Newman: but, that's cool...the general issues are good ones
[13:15] Smoke Wijaya: just need to work those out theoretically more .. and campaign around them more...
[13:15] Ernest Newman: yues
[13:16] Smoke Wijaya: but again, we do need people to do that Ernest...
[13:16] Smoke Wijaya: but yes, we need to speed things up
[13:16] Triss Gray: you're more or less free to take any of the general ones an transform them into more specific ones/actions, I guess, as long as it's ok'd by these general meetings
[13:16] Smoke Wijaya: but I do thnik we now have a good basis...we are not moving very fast .. but solid I think..
[13:16] Triss Gray: so if you feel that "calling" do so :-)
[13:17] Smoke Wijaya: but yeah, yelling that we are going to blow up a AA store seems to be more atractive...
[13:17] Smoke Wijaya: but you also saw what kind of morons it attracted
[13:18] Ernest Newman: lol...right?
[13:18] Smoke Wijaya: ok, that wil be added to notice as well..call out once more for more people to write blog articles
[13:20] Rin Tae: yes.. that would help too
[13:20] Rin Tae: only that I think that we wont find that many blog writers in the group
[13:21] Smoke Wijaya: we have some new peoples
[13:21] Rin Tae: thats good.. so maybe they will get active when they see the messeges
[13:21] Smoke Wijaya: 138 it seems
[13:22] Rin Tae: we have grown a bit again
[13:22] Smoke Wijaya: 141 according to search
[13:22] Triss Gray: would it maybe help if we "officialized" certain contributions more? EG offer them a custom title, list them somewhere on the site, etc
[13:22] Smoke Wijaya: why?
[13:22] Triss Gray: don't know, maybe it'd make them feel more valued or anything
[13:22] Rin Tae: I was once thinking about making some form or contest .. like .. who will amke the best shirt can take someothing out of the shop for free
[13:22] Triss Gray: stroke their ego
[13:22] Smoke Wijaya: but yes, a contributor, someone writing a pice that is not made by us together through meetings, is always with that persons name...
[13:23] Smoke Wijaya: ok Triss, I am not good at stroking ego's
[13:23] Smoke Wijaya: but sure, if you guys think a way to do that...
[13:23] Smoke Wijaya: just dont like the tactic...
[13:23] Smoke Wijaya: I me an, you guys are active because of stroking your ego?>
[13:24] Rin Tae: it is not entirly about the go, but you need to think that it is a good feeling to be appreciated for your work
[13:25] Rin Tae: some people need more ego stroking of course and sometimes it is jsut about to show them, that the contributions are valued and welcomed
[13:25] Triss Gray: no, but some people might be more compelled to do stuff if they had the "official" responsability
[13:25] Triss Gray: a bit like with the music team we were trying to form, but more "real", eg having to apply for that "position" etc
[13:26] Smoke Wijaya: I justw ant people to know that they can and we welcome contributions..
[13:26] Triss Gray: can't explain why, but I have a feeling some people would do more of they had to go to a little effort to be "allowed" to do so ;-)
[13:26] Smoke Wijaya: they are all allowed...
[13:27] Triss Gray: it's the difference between "please write blogs" or "you can become emeber of our blog team, and get to write blogs for us"
[13:27] Smoke Wijaya: well, but if someone then suddenly does do it .. aint that a bit strange?
[13:28] Triss Gray: again, can't explain why, but people might be more compelled by the second option
[13:28] Triss Gray: anyway, just a crazy idea probably
[13:28] Smoke Wijaya: ok, they might .. but if that would be the case, I rather think it is a way to shift through people we dont want
[13:28] Smoke Wijaya: lol
[13:28] Rin Tae: yes, I agree, that the blog team sounds better
[13:28] Smoke Wijaya: ok
[13:28] Ernest Newman: owww...I'm outa here, before you pin me down with an offical assignment, lol...Later ya'll Will try to review the blog, maybe contribute something
[13:29] Smoke Wijaya: cool
[13:29] Smoke Wijaya: see you later Ernest
[13:29] Rin Tae: you already have Ernest
[13:29] Rin Tae: damn....
[13:29] Rin Tae: h was faster
[13:29] Triss Gray: hehe, then again, some people run when they think they might become officially responsible ;-)
[13:29] Rin Tae: *he
[13:29] Smoke Wijaya: anyways, I have nothing against a "blogteam"
[13:29] Smoke Wijaya: we once tlaked about a "reporters"role
[13:30] Triss Gray: I guess the whole "team" thing gives the idea of involvement or anything.... a psychologist could probably explain it :-)
[13:31] Triss Gray: but again ,it's just some idea and I might be completely wrong
[13:31] Smoke Wijaya: ok, lets also get that at the forum...and at leats ask for people again if they want to write blog pieces
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