Tue, 07/04/2009 - 22:28
[12:06] Triss Gray: for the record: does anyoine here mind that we publish a chatlog on our website?
[12:06] Miroirs Hax: i thought this was a nice dome and seats actually
[12:07] Xandra Szondi: np Triss
[12:07] Triss Gray: if anyone objects, we can anonymize their name
[12:07] Xandra Szondi: and dome looks ok to me too - poseballs too even
[12:07] Constance Fairport: no objection!
[12:07] Rin Tae: thank you very much ^^ .. still .. as I am responsible for the overall design, I think I can make it better
[12:07] Constance Fairport: my stomach is rumbling --- i've got to go!
[12:07] Xandra Szondi: :)
[12:07] Triss Gray: amazingly enough, Rin always has an even better version up her sleeve!
[12:08] Xandra Szondi: oops
[12:08] Triss Gray: thx for passing by then constance
[12:08] Rin Tae: that leaves us four
[12:08] Triss Gray: have a nice meal!
[12:08] Miroirs Hax: probably a few more will drop by
[12:08] Triss Gray: we could play cards :-p
[12:09] Rin Tae: yes... the last discussion on it was rather nice ... seems like the topic isn'T drawing crowds anymore
[12:09] Miroirs Hax: has there been any more news from the lindens or actionfronts or elsewhere on the toppic?
[12:09] Triss Gray: well, i joined the "I am adult content" group"
[12:10] Triss Gray: but it seems to go the same way as the groups protesting the price hike
[12:10] Rin Tae: no .. not much .. I have been lookign through the forum and I am listenign to the I am adult content group, but it seems like the LL are keepign quite on it
[12:10] Triss Gray: aka a disorganized, quarreling mess
[12:10] Rin Tae: still better then the land protest gorup
[12:10] Rin Tae: (they are not screamign at each other as much as they did)
[12:10] Miroirs Hax: would you all like a chatlog of lastweek's thinkers event that i went to, that was on the same toppic
[12:11] Triss Gray: yes, still better, but eg last sunday they were all telling each other to quit whining about whining :-)
[12:11] Miroirs Hax: hi Benevolent
[12:11] Rin Tae: but I think, that everybody is waiting on the next move of LL ... and yes .. please. A chatlog of it would be most intersting
[12:11] Xandra Szondi: Hi Benevolent
[12:11] Rin Tae: hello :)
[12:12] Benevolent String: Hello, everybody.
[12:12] Miroirs Hax gave you thinkersevent.
[12:12] Triss Gray: thx mir
[12:12] Miroirs Hax: hi Kpac
[12:12] Rin Tae: can you give us a short summery as to waht the conclusion was about the topic in the discussion?
[12:12] Kpac Hax: hello all
[12:12] Kpac Hax >> Bonjour à tous
[12:13] Rin Tae: hihi.. please have a seat and join in
[12:13] Triss Gray: 2 Haxes in the house
[12:13] Triss Gray: doesn't occur that often ;-)
[12:13] Kpac Hax: thanki
[12:13] Kpac Hax >> Thanki
[12:13] Miroirs Hax: alone we are not so powerfull, but when there are more of us we are a force to recon with
[12:13] Rin Tae: I could call a third one in, but I think he might be busy around this time
[12:14] Triss Gray: wouldn't that make the universe collapse ? :-)
[12:14] Rin Tae: of course .. and the LLs should have goten the idea, that there are many people invovled in this .. so do you think, that it would be possible to change their decission?
[12:14] Miroirs Hax: that is only our last resort weapon
[12:14] Xandra Szondi: hi Kpac
[12:14] Triss Gray: well, they have a history of not listening to their userbase :-)
[12:14] Kpac Hax: hello Xandra
[12:14] Kpac Hax >> bonjour Xandra
[12:15] Xandra Szondi: :)
[12:15] Rin Tae: of course .. but this time, they are goign to affect lots of people .. and I am nto sure, that their buisness planers are not seeing it
[12:15] Rin Tae: (if htey have buisness planing people)
[12:16] Miroirs Hax: it's probably largely PR, trying to reel in education and business
[12:16] Triss Gray: I think they have some monkeys planning for them
[12:16] Triss Gray: monkeys with dartboards
[12:16] Triss Gray: they hit "price hike" last throw
[12:17] Triss Gray: and now it's "censorship" they've hit :-)
[12:17] Rin Tae: I think so too ... but would a PR move justify this? (btw.. the blog saiys, that another Linden left the company now)
[12:17] Kpac Hax: LL are certainly acting up on grid cleaning
[12:17] Kpac Hax >> LL sont certainement en place sur la grille de nettoyage
[12:17] Rin Tae: sure they are
[12:17] Kpac Hax: actions at Trendron over the last few days has resulted in them being on the parcel almost everyday
[12:17] Kpac Hax >> Trendron actions au cours des derniers jours a entraîné les cours sur la parcelle presque tous les jours
[12:17] Miroirs Hax: well, if it actually bring in educationists and business then that would be worth a try, but i doubt it
[12:18] Kpac Hax: which one Rin
[12:18] Kpac Hax >> dont l'un Rin
[12:18] Kpac Hax: havent checked the blog fro some days
[12:18] Kpac Hax >> havent vérifié le blog vient de quelques jours
[12:18] You decline SLDM HQ - SLDemocraticMovement, Kaskitayo (226, 193, 51) from A group member named Rin Tae.
[12:19] Rin Tae: Ginsu Linden
[12:19] Rin Tae: I have not heared of this one before
[12:19] Kpac Hax: no its a new one to me too!
[12:19] Kpac Hax >> pas de son nouveau pour moi aussi!
[12:19] Rin Tae: https://blogs.secondlife.com/community/features/blog/2009/04/07/graduati...
[12:19] Kpac Hax: thanki
[12:19] Kpac Hax >> Thanki
[12:19] Xandra Szondi: Yesterday someone showed me Hippo OpenSim - that isn't run by Linden Lab is it?
[12:20] Kpac Hax: no
[12:20] Kpac Hax >> non
[12:20] Triss Gray: but at least one of the big opensim clusters seems to be even worse then LL as far as governing goes
[12:20] Rin Tae: no.. Open Sim are using the same kind of technology, but it is not LL ... I have heard different things aobut them, but they are the closest to competition LL has right now
[12:21] Rin Tae: yes Triss
[12:21] Kpac Hax: OpenSIm is built on SL architecture
[12:21] Kpac Hax >> OpenSIm SL est construit sur l'architecture
[12:21] Kpac Hax: I have been in exploring
[12:21] Kpac Hax >> J'ai été dans l'exploration
[12:21] Xandra Szondi: yes it looks teh same
[12:21] Xandra Szondi: only no money involved
[12:21] Kpac Hax: just dont mention the similarities
[12:21] Kpac Hax >> dont seulement mentionner les similitudes
[12:21] Triss Gray: not necessarily
[12:21] Rin Tae: I was there too once .. looks like SL, but in a slightly less developed form
[12:22] Triss Gray: some people have set up "for money" land renting on opensim based clusters
[12:22] Kpac Hax: they use a clone of the SL viewer and all the same components in gui
[12:22] Kpac Hax >> ils utilisent un clone de la SL spectateur et les mêmes composants de l'interface graphique
[12:22] Kpac Hax: cant see the point really
[12:22] Kpac Hax >> cant voir le point vraiment
[12:22] Kpac Hax: I know that SL has many issues that need resolving
[12:22] Kpac Hax >> Je sais que SL a beaucoup de questions qui doivent régler
[12:22] Rin Tae: do you think, that this might bring people to change the world and go into OPen Sim instead?
[12:23] Kpac Hax: but what is their edge? other than low cost and open development
[12:23] Kpac Hax >> mais quel est leur avantage? autres que le faible coût et du développement ouvert
[12:23] Triss Gray: only after there is a decent form of cross-grid tp'ing and inventory management
[12:23] Benevolent String: I'm having computer problems.... sorry to leave.
[12:23] Rin Tae: that would be nice
[12:23] Kpac Hax: no I think there is much more work going on on portal development
[12:23] Kpac Hax >> non je pense qu'il ya beaucoup plus de travail à faire sur le portail de développement
[12:23] Miroirs Hax: ofcourse, if all move a certain direction, there will likely be governing forces there too and the same stuff happening before long
[12:23] Kpac Hax: we will before too long most probably be able to visit WoW etc
[12:23] Kpac Hax >> nous avant longtemps sans doute être en mesure de visiter WoW etc
[12:23] Xandra Szondi: see you Bene
[12:23] Triss Gray: well, there will always be some form of enforcement I guess
[12:23] Kpac Hax: that is certainly a key development agenda
[12:23] Kpac Hax >> qui est certainement un élément clé du développement
[12:24] Triss Gray: but there may be a good opportunity to do it "better"
[12:24] Rin Tae: that would be .. interesting.... in WoW .. oO
[12:24] Kpac Hax: ciao bene
[12:24] Kpac Hax >> ciao bene
[12:24] Kpac Hax: yes hehe
[12:24] Kpac Hax >> oui hehe
[12:24] Triss Gray: before too long? I don't see it happening that soon actually
[12:24] Rin Tae: there was one blog post that was somehow poitning into this direction ... the development for stand alone SL for buisness .. so that the firm ownign it would have complete control about it
[12:24] Miroirs Hax: think a lot of this would improve when you establish some of what you're upto, namely some "right" to your avatar and copyright
[12:25] Xandra Szondi: they run sims on their own computer
[12:25] Rin Tae: yes.. copyright will msot likely be the biggest issue in cross grip tping
[12:25] Kpac Hax: well they have already been working closely with IBM
[12:25] Kpac Hax >> ils ont déjà travaillé en étroite collaboration avec IBM
[12:25] Xandra Szondi: brb
[12:25] Triss Gray: copyright, and other companies may not want to cooperate
[12:25] Kpac Hax: before too long is a 5 year projection imo
[12:25] Kpac Hax >> avant est trop longue de 5 ans projection imo
[12:25] Triss Gray: there is little incentive for the wow people to allow access from within sl
[12:25] Rin Tae: yes.. they are now seem to take it a step further and offer it to other companies in the form of a 'product'
[12:26] Kpac Hax: thats why they are really still developing their business model and trying to sanitize the grid if you ask me
[12:26] Kpac Hax >> thats pourquoi ils sont vraiment encore le développement de leur modèle d'affaires et d'essayer de nettoyer la grille si vous me demandez
[12:26] Xandra Szondi: back
[12:26] Rin Tae: I eman .. the stand alone SL versions
[12:26] Rin Tae: wb
[12:26] Kpac Hax: wb Xandra
[12:26] Kpac Hax >> wb Xandra
[12:26] Rin Tae: https://blogs.secondlife.com/community/grid/blog/2009/04/01/second-life-...
[12:27] Xandra Szondi: thnx :)
[12:27] Miroirs Hax: i think most would object being traded like kettle, especially furries
[12:27] Triss Gray: hehe
[12:27] Rin Tae: this one is intersting .. one of LLs partners in this : Naval Undersea Warfare Center
[12:28] Kpac Hax: scarey
[12:28] Kpac Hax >> scarey
[12:28] Kpac Hax: like coca cola having its own submarines
[12:28] Kpac Hax >> comme le coca cola avoir ses propres sous-marins
[12:28] Miroirs Hax: i'm sure some experts are quite interested in the sociological conclusions that come from second life
[12:28] Miroirs Hax: (warfare)
[12:28] Kpac Hax: haha
[12:28] Kpac Hax >> haha
[12:28] Rin Tae: for sociologists, SL offers a lot of possibilites to explore human behaviour
[12:29] Kpac Hax: I'm an anthropologist, I find it fascinating!
[12:29] Kpac Hax >> Je suis anthropologue, je trouve ça fascinant!
[12:29] Triss Gray: I'm sick to the bone with all these questionaires though :-)
[12:29] Kpac Hax: yes ~Triss
[12:29] Kpac Hax >> oui ~ Triss
[12:29] Kpac Hax: in one form or other we have spoken over these many times ;)
[12:29] Kpac Hax >> sous une forme ou une autre, nous avons parlé au cours de ces nombreuses fois;)
[12:29] Rin Tae: <-- is studing sociology ^^
[12:30] Triss Gray: "I am X and I'm doing a paper on Y in SL. Please fill in the questions at Z"
[12:30] Kpac Hax: great Rin, was one of my majors (not that we use that term in UK)
[12:30] Kpac Hax >> Rin grand, a été un de mes majors (pas que nous utilisons ce terme au Royaume-Uni)
[12:30] Kpac Hax: hehehe
[12:30] Kpac Hax >> hehehe
[12:30] Miroirs Hax: awnser at Z : "loading....."
[12:30] Kpac Hax: now now
[12:30] Kpac Hax >> maintenant maintenant
[12:30] Triss Gray: I study sociopathy ;-) actively :-)
[12:31] Kpac Hax: you do suprise me lol
[12:31] Kpac Hax >> vous ne me surprend lol
[12:31] Rin Tae gets a pokign stick and pokes Triss
[12:31] Triss Gray: what's that for
[12:31] Miroirs Hax: phuh, you guys are only studying, i made it to self proclaimed expert long ago
[12:31] Kpac Hax: poke you with I shal unsheath my sword ;)
[12:31] Kpac Hax >> poke-vous avec I devra unsheath mon épée;)
[12:32] Rin Tae: and what do you think form your expert position about the isse we are here to talk about?
[12:32] Kpac Hax: I am no longer studying I am aprof! lol
[12:32] Kpac Hax >> Je ne suis plus étudiant, je suis aprof! lol
[12:32] Miroirs Hax: i was only kidding (is silent now)
[12:32] Rin Tae: hehe
[12:32] Kpac Hax: enough of this where should we be moving the agenda
[12:32] Kpac Hax >> assez de ce cas doit-on se déplacer de l'ordre du jour
[12:32] Kpac Hax: like forward?
[12:32] Kpac Hax >> comme avant?
[12:32] Kpac Hax: np
[12:32] Kpac Hax >> np
[12:32] Kpac Hax: teeheee
[12:32] Kpac Hax >> teeheee
[12:33] Triss Gray: well, the idea behind this discussion was to gather some ideas for actions to take
[12:33] Kpac Hax: I know less the older I get and its not memory loss
[12:33] Kpac Hax >> Je connais moins le plus je vieillis et ce n'est pas la perte de mémoire
[12:33] Kpac Hax: yes and what ideas do we want to posit
[12:33] Kpac Hax >> oui et des idées que nous voulons poser
[12:33] Triss Gray: so all ideas to move the topic forward are most welcome
[12:34] Kpac Hax: I think it might in the forst place be useful to pool resources
[12:34] Kpac Hax >> Je pense qu'il pourrait en place Forst être utile de mettre en commun les ressources
[12:34] Kpac Hax: with others across the grid who share similar concerns
[12:34] Kpac Hax >> avec d'autres sur la grille qui partagent des préoccupations semblables
[12:34] Miroirs Hax: really wrap head around copyright and avatar right (company can not just delete or shut down) and get these points on a single sheet and get it out and on the internet as much as possible
[12:35] Kpac Hax: Arthole for example and Brooklyn is watching share similar conerns on grid sanitzation
[12:35] Kpac Hax >> Arthole Brooklyn, par exemple, et observe les mêmes conerns sur la grille sanitzation
[12:35] Triss Gray: well, our concerns are wider then just grid sanitization
[12:35] Rin Tae: the most active group seem to be the I am adult contetn one ... but it is a very scattered and not coherent movement invovling lots of people ready to whine and grief around
[12:35] Triss Gray: and our experience in this is other groups only want to focus on their little niche
[12:35] Kpac Hax: yes on the whole but I thought that the topic was based on that at the moment
[12:35] Kpac Hax >> oui, dans l'ensemble, mais je pense que le sujet est basé sur celui à l'heure actuelle
[12:35] Triss Gray: and never ever look at the broader "rights" picture
[12:35] Rin Tae: yes... that is a sad part of it
[12:36] Kpac Hax: of course the shift towards rights for avatars is a central plank of SLDM agenda and motivation
[12:36] Kpac Hax >> Bien entendu, l'évolution vers des droits pour les avatars est un élément central de l'ordre du jour et de la motivation SLDM
[12:36] Kpac Hax: that is to use an analogy the war and we have to pick our battles
[12:36] Kpac Hax >> qui est d'utiliser une analogie à la guerre et nous devons choisir nos combats
[12:37] Kpac Hax: but what do I know I'm new here?!
[12:37] Kpac Hax >> mais qu'est-ce que je sais que je suis nouveau ici!
[12:37] Triss Gray: sure we would like to help out in those niches too
[12:37] Triss Gray: but it can be difficult to convince people in that group that our goals and theirs can coincide
[12:37] Triss Gray: that group being any niche group
[12:38] Kpac Hax: whose
[12:38] Kpac Hax >> dont
[12:38] Miroirs Hax: yes, but many probably don't realise this (avatar, money and everything you create can be gone tomorrow) and it would also go some way to solve this particular problem
[12:38] Rin Tae: yes it is .. we keep trying even when it prooved to be very difficult to get enough people to really try to do soemthing ... in this case of course .. and Triss is right .. we have seen, that the msot difficult part of this is actually to get people to understand, that their goals are the same
[12:38] Kpac Hax: I think you under estimate the majority of users
[12:38] Kpac Hax >> Je crois que vous sous-estimer la majorité des utilisateurs
[12:38] Rin Tae: article 2.6 and 3.2b in the ToS
[12:38] Triss Gray: well, I overestimated them
[12:38] Triss Gray: we tried to talk about it on several ocassions
[12:39] Triss Gray: and we always got the "go bark up another tree" kind of reaction
[12:39] Triss Gray: especially in the case of the 5 or so groups about the whole "light use" debacle
[12:39] Kpac Hax: it is certainly a subject I always broach with new avatars I et in my travels, would say a healthy growing minority do not take the rights issue for granted
[12:39] Kpac Hax >> il est certainement un sujet que je toujours aborder avec de nouveaux avatars I et, dans mes voyages, dirait une minorité de plus en plus en bonne santé ne prennent pas la question des droits acquis
[12:39] Rin Tae: I am sure I underestimate them .. ther are a lot of people outthere who can do something .. and they do in many differnet ways .. but getting it together is a problem
[12:40] Rin Tae: I hope so Kpac
[12:40] Triss Gray: also, of the people taht do are interested, most are not more then that: "interested"
[12:40] Rin Tae: we have been reminding people about it for more the na year now so it might finally get some effect
[12:41] Kpac Hax: surely another reflection on RL
[12:41] Kpac Hax >> sûrement une autre réflexion sur RL
[12:41] Rin Tae: totally... RL and SL are very much alike when this is concerned
[12:41] Triss Gray: ok, so we have "cooperate with like minded people" as an action point
[12:41] Kpac Hax: most users who end up regularly using SL are using it for the purpose of recreation, despite the business and education focus from LL at the moment
[12:41] Triss Gray: what else?
[12:41] Kpac Hax >> la plupart des utilisateurs qui se retrouvent régulièrement en utilisant SL l'utilisent à des fins de loisirs, en dépit de l'entreprise et de l'éducation de se concentrer pour le moment LL
[12:42] Triss Gray: we were thinking of some kind of "civil disobedience" actions
[12:42] Kpac Hax: as recreationists the last thing they want to get embroiled in is in world politics
[12:42] Kpac Hax >> recreationists que la dernière chose qu'ils veulent se lancer dans la politique mondiale est en
[12:42] Miroirs Hax: nude camp
[12:42] Kpac Hax: which is a shame imo
[12:42] Kpac Hax >> qui est une honte imo
[12:42] Rin Tae: LL always had this focus after the sdropped the 'your world, your imagination' slogan
[12:43] Triss Gray: "our world, corporate imagination"
[12:43] Kpac Hax: if you look at RP sim structures, they don't equivocate and they actively employ their own standards rules and TOS
[12:43] Kpac Hax >> si vous regardez RP sim structures, ils ne sont pas tergiverser et ils emploient activement leurs propres normes, règles et TOS
[12:43] Triss Gray: is what they seem to be aiming for more and more
[12:43] Miroirs Hax: :)
[12:43] Xandra Szondi: hehe
[12:43] Rin Tae: yes Kpac .. RP places are mostly the best orgenised when it comes to this
[12:43] Kpac Hax: Nude camp is certainly a potential action
[12:44] Kpac Hax >> Nude camp est certainement un potentiel d'action
[12:44] Kpac Hax: however actions hae to have ends
[12:44] Kpac Hax >> hae toutefois des actions à fin de
[12:44] Kpac Hax: what do we want to achieve through that form of protest?
[12:44] Kpac Hax >> que voulons-nous atteindre à travers cette forme de protestation?
[12:44] Rin Tae: a nude sit in in the linden willage
[12:45] Triss Gray: is that village mature? :-)
[12:45] Kpac Hax: thats the action but is it to piss LL off? Make a valid point in what regard?
[12:45] Kpac Hax >> thats l'action, mais il est à pisser de LL? Faites un point dans ce domaine?
[12:45] Kpac Hax: good question
[12:45] Kpac Hax >> bonne question
[12:45] Rin Tae: actually, I would like to see people participate in it ... if people see, that something can be done, then at least some of them start to think, that more can be done
[12:46] Rin Tae: like with everything, the people first need to undestand their power ... and the residents have a lot of power, because without them, the grid would be empty ... they build all the content here
[12:46] Kpac Hax: you know someting I have never even been to Linden Village! lol
[12:46] Kpac Hax >> vous connaissez quelque-chose, je n'ai jamais été à même Linden Village! lol
[12:46] Kpac Hax: that is true Rin
[12:46] Kpac Hax >> c'est vrai Rin
[12:47] Kpac Hax: but many of the Landowners I have talked with are simply not interested either in their rights or the rights of others
[12:47] Kpac Hax >> mais nombre de propriétaires fonciers, j'ai parlé avec les intéressés ne sont tout simplement pas, soit dans leurs droits ou les droits d'autrui
[12:47] Rin Tae: I have been a few tims long ago.. around the last timee they had a town hall meeting and stopped to interact with the community and talkign about issues concerning it
[12:47] Kpac Hax: they are only too happy to comply
[12:47] Kpac Hax >> ils ne sont que trop heureux de se conformer
[12:48] Rin Tae: yes.. and many others are only thinkign about themselves ... or not even that ... it is sad, but too many people here are too happy to comply with everyhting
[12:48] Kpac Hax: is there anyway of determining the projected busiest time of the grid on a future date and then where the grid has most avatars and focus demonstrations on those sims?
[12:48] Kpac Hax >> il est de toute façon de la détermination de la plus achalandée du temps prévu de la grille à une date future et où le réseau a le plus d'avatars et de se concentrer sur les manifestations sims?
[12:49] Kpac Hax: brb
[12:49] Kpac Hax >> brb
[12:49] Triss Gray: well, weekends are typically buzier
[12:49] Triss Gray: busier*
[12:49] Rin Tae: yes ... from around 10am SLT on .. and later ... and then around 6-7pm SLT when the US people are on
[12:50] Triss Gray: as for places, the usual suspects I guess
[12:50] Triss Gray: certain welcome areas etc
[12:51] Rin Tae: welcome areas are places where you wont find a linden ......
[12:51] Triss Gray: though any action at welcome areas is usually "frowned upon" by the wallflowers hanging out there
[12:51] Triss Gray: well, there are not that many places left to find lindens anyway
[12:51] Kpac Hax: back
[12:51] Kpac Hax >> retour
[12:51] Triss Gray: heck, they are even absent at their own office hours :-)
[12:51] Rin Tae: wb
[12:52] Rin Tae: really?
[12:52] Triss Gray: there aren't that many "active" office hours, no
[12:52] Rin Tae: I have been to a few, but it was not that productive
[12:52] Triss Gray: and the few that are are aminly about technical stuff, not policy stuff
[12:52] Kpac Hax: well Triss between Friday and Monday 5 visited the French Nationalists
[12:52] Kpac Hax >> Triss et entre le vendredi et le lundi 5 visité le Front national en France
[12:53] Triss Gray: yes, but that's more "fire extinguishing", no?
[12:53] Triss Gray: so we need a "fire" to get their attention
[12:53] Kpac Hax: well for thefirst time o
[12:53] Kpac Hax >> et pour la première fois o
[12:54] Kpac Hax: oops a friend had an interesting talk with one with regards to protest..
[12:54] Kpac Hax >> oops un ami a eu un intéressant parler avec l'un en ce qui concerne la protestation ..
[12:54] Kpac Hax: in that context
[12:54] Kpac Hax >> dans ce contexte
[12:54] Rin Tae: and what has he said about it?
[12:54] Xandra Szondi: sry i have to be off
[12:55] Xandra Szondi: it was intresting
[12:55] Xandra Szondi: see you alll later i hope
[12:55] Rin Tae: we are here each week .. same place, same time
[12:55] Xandra Szondi: :)
[12:55] Rin Tae: byebye
[12:55] Xandra Szondi: ok
[12:55] Xandra Szondi: thnx
[12:55] Xandra Szondi: bye bye
[12:55] Xandra Szondi: bye Mir
[12:55] Xandra Szondi: bye Triss
[12:55] Kpac Hax: bye
[12:55] Kpac Hax >> au revoir
[12:55] Triss Gray: bye!
[12:55] Xandra Szondi: bye Kpac
[12:55] Miroirs Hax: goodnight Xandra, take care
[12:56] Triss Gray: btw:
[12:56] Triss Gray: [16:26] Rayne Keynes: I believe that was me, I suggested a nude protest in Linden Village, most didnt think it was a good idea
[12:57] Rin Tae: they fear to get banned ^^
[12:57] Triss Gray: the cowards :-)
[12:57] Miroirs Hax: to fear to end up orbiting, in the nude
[12:57] Triss Gray: a mass banning owuld be good for the cause actually
[12:57] Triss Gray: it'd draw attention
[12:57] Triss Gray: oh noes, not nude orbiting
[12:58] Kpac Hax: there is always safety in numbers, however mass protest is highly unlikely in this case
[12:58] Kpac Hax >> il ya toujours la sécurité dans les chiffres, mais de masse est très peu probable dans ce cas
[12:58] Miroirs Hax: most won't be up to do anything (all sheep, afterall) till actual problems occur, same now for rights, till THEY run into problems, they're not upto action
[12:58] Rin Tae: but I think, that there is also some element of not wanting to be seen at the same place with people wanting to keep their third grade noob sex club....
[12:59] Kpac Hax: this does not of course mean we should roll over
[12:59] Kpac Hax >> cela ne fonctionne pas, bien entendu, il faut rouler sur
[12:59] Rin Tae: of course .. but it makes it problematic to gather the numbers needed to have security and a meaningfull protest that recuires them to react
[13:00] Miroirs Hax: can we contact big forums and blogs etc. in regard to SL, and get more attention that way, to have a protest, i mean can people be reached
[13:01] Triss Gray: yes, they can be reached, but can they be "activated"?
[13:01] Miroirs Hax: with a right bit of text, yes
[13:02] Rin Tae: of course ... there are a few often read blogs about SL and as far as I know, they have posted things about this already ... I would need to look around to see what was said
[13:03] Kpac Hax: the action could be called 'wear a hat' day, and only a hat!
[13:03] Kpac Hax >> l'action pourrait être appelé «porter un chapeau 'jour, et seul un chapeau!
[13:04] Triss Gray doesn't have a hat :-)
[13:04] Rin Tae: I can make you one!
[13:04] Kpac Hax: I will make you a hat!
[13:04] Kpac Hax >> Je vais vous faire un chapeau!
[13:04] Kpac Hax: hehe
[13:04] Kpac Hax >> hehe
[13:04] Triss Gray: well, at least I'll get a hat or two out of it, lol
[13:04] Miroirs Hax: chapeau
[13:04] Kpac Hax: looks like your gonna get inundated with hats triss
[13:05] Kpac Hax >> semble que votre gonna get inondé de chapeaux triss
[13:05] Triss Gray: well, I could cover strategical parts with hats then
[13:05] Miroirs Hax: the more hats to cover up, the better
[13:05] Kpac Hax: haha
[13:05] Kpac Hax >> haha
[13:06] Kpac Hax: it would in that sense still push the LL on the issue
[13:06] Kpac Hax >> elle serait en ce sens encore pousser les LL sur la question
[13:06] Triss Gray: see if we can fix the copyright for "you cna leave your hat on" :-)
[13:06] Miroirs Hax: :)
[13:06] Kpac Hax: but make it 'creative'
[13:06] Kpac Hax >> mais faire "créative"
[13:06] Rin Tae: of course, the action can also be done with uniform looking avis all with the same shape and grey clothing that would be politcially and religiously correct ... saying .. this is the future of SL
[13:06] Rin Tae: but I like the hats more
[13:06] Kpac Hax: true Rin
[13:06] Kpac Hax >> véritable Rin
[13:07] Triss Gray: ooh, hats that morph into masks with gags
[13:07] Kpac Hax: what would be even better would be to amass various themes but I am dreaming now
[13:07] Kpac Hax >> ce qui serait encore mieux serait de réunir différents thèmes, mais je rêve maintenant
[13:07] Kpac Hax: Triss lol
[13:07] Kpac Hax >> Triss lol
[13:07] Miroirs Hax: switching and saving avatars is technically complicated for sl newbies, while wearing a hat most can do
[13:08] Rin Tae: thats right
[13:08] Kpac Hax: good point Miroirs
[13:08] Kpac Hax >> bon point Miroirs
[13:08] Rin Tae: but this issue I think is mostly concerning long time residents
[13:09] Triss Gray: the famous sl'ers
[13:09] Kpac =^,^= PuUuUuUuUuUrZzZz =^,^=
[13:09] Kpac Hax: lifers!
[13:09] Kpac Hax >> perpétuité!
[13:09] Kpac Hax: haha
[13:09] Kpac Hax >> haha
[13:09] Miroirs Hax: yes, well, uniform avatars would be scary, returning in LL'er nightmares to haunt them
[13:10] Triss Gray: a bit like agant smith :-)
[13:10] Kpac Hax: you havent seen the hat I am thinking of making!
[13:10] Kpac Hax >> havent vous vu le chapeau Je pense à faire!
[13:10] Miroirs Hax: droning, grey, zombie avatars, with hats, the one with 17 hats is Triss
[13:10] Kpac Hax: Hello Prodyck
[13:10] Prodyck Placebo: hi
[13:10] Kpac Hax >> Bonjour Prodyck
[13:10] Triss Gray: Maybe you could make me a giant hat avatar :-)
[13:11] Rin Tae: that can be done
[13:11] Kpac Hax: thats even possible!
[13:11] Kpac Hax >> thats encore possible!
[13:11] Kpac Hax: with the furry debate all about removing their clothes
[13:11] Kpac Hax >> avec la fourrure débat sur la suppression de tous leurs vêtements
[13:11] Kpac Hax: we could have a furrless contingent too
[13:11] Kpac Hax >> nous pourrions avoir un contingent trop furrless
[13:12] Kpac Hax: and of course naked Neko
[13:12] Kpac Hax >> et bien sûr nu Neko
[13:12] Triss Gray: that's a giant amount of wool right there
[13:12] Kpac Hax: yep Furry HATs!
[13:12] Kpac Hax >> yep Furry CHAPEAUX!
[13:13] Kpac Hax: or just wear afurry on your head?
[13:13] Kpac Hax >> ou tout simplement afurry porter sur la tête?
[13:13] Miroirs Hax: not without their approval
[13:13] Kpac Hax: absolutely
[13:13] Kpac Hax >> absolument
[13:14] Kpac Hax: I wasn't suggestiong a kull
[13:14] Kpac Hax >> Je n'étais pas un kull suggestiong
[13:14] Kpac Hax: oh you could have naked furries with human hats and vica versa
[13:14] Kpac Hax >> oh, vous pouvez avoir avec l'homme nu furries Vica chapeaux et versa
[13:14] Rin Tae: as long as there are hats
[13:15] Kpac Hax: I think Id better shut up now
[13:15] Kpac Hax >> Je pense que Id mieux se taire maintenant
[13:15] Triss Gray: hats are a given :-)
[13:15] Rin Tae: it is a good idea woth the hat protest .. so now all that would be needed is to gather the numbers of people needed
[13:16] Kpac Hax is Online
[13:16] Triss Gray: and hats
[13:16] Miroirs Hax: give it a week to brew, come up with a date and hat, and contact the blogs fora and sl groups
[13:16] Kpac Hax: ok so we need to think of intention
[13:16] Kpac Hax >> ok nous avons donc besoin de penser à l'intention
[13:16] Rin Tae: hats are not a problem ... there are many nice ones around and we can build some and provide them to the people if they need it
[13:16] any1 Gynoid is Online
[13:16] Kpac Hax: do we want to focus on sims and knock them over?
[13:16] Kpac Hax >> nous voulons mettre l'accent sur les sims et de frapper plus?
[13:16] Triss Gray: we would want to hand out a customized one
[13:17] Kpac Hax: cutomized and customizable
[13:17] Kpac Hax >> cutomized et personnalisable
[13:17] Triss Gray: maybe this pirate hat but with a nude silhouette instead of a skull
[13:17] Triss Gray: or mayube not :-)
[13:17] Miroirs Hax: +1 pirate hat
[13:17] Kpac Hax: brings us onto a slogan point
[13:17] Kpac Hax >> nous amène sur un slogan point
[13:18] Prodyck Placebo: :) pirate hat
[13:18] Triss Gray: "you can leave our hat on" ? :-)
[13:18] Miroirs Hax: or, you must leave your hat on
[13:18] Kpac Hax: I was thinking around what you's said earlier, perhaps a few
[13:18] Kpac Hax >> Je pensais autour de ce que vous dit plus tôt, peut-être un peu
[13:19] Kpac Hax: so intentio
[13:19] Kpac Hax >> afin intentio
[13:19] Kpac Hax: to knock over sims? on busy time?
[13:19] Kpac Hax >> à renverser sims? sur la période très occupée?
[13:19] Kpac Hax: or rolling protest over a day,
[13:19] Kpac Hax >> ou roulant sur une journée de protestation,
[13:19] Triss Gray: well, maybe we could form a chain?
[13:19] Kpac Hax: getting as many to move in groups talking with avatars onthe way distributing ideas and hats
[13:19] Kpac Hax >> obtenir le plus grand nombre de se déplacer en groupes de discussion avec des avatars sur la façon de distribuer des idées et des chapeaux
[13:19] Rin Tae: a protest over a day would be best .. one that goes on for some time and keeps the number of people up
[13:19] Kpac Hax: sim chain
[13:19] Kpac Hax >> sim chaîne
[13:20] Kpac Hax: map chain with symbol would be great
[13:20] Kpac Hax >> chaîne de la carte avec le symbole serait très
[13:20] Rin Tae: a chain across the mainland
[13:20] Miroirs Hax: yep, that would favour timezones and busy people
[13:20] Prodyck Placebo: yes
[13:20] Kpac Hax: so that we could take a shot of the symbol on a map acrross the grid
[13:20] Kpac Hax >> afin que nous puissions prendre une photo du symbole sur une carte acrross la grille
[13:21] MystiTool HUD 1.3.1: Detached.
[13:21] Kpac Hax: good meeting btw
[13:21] Kpac Hax >> bonne réunion btw
[13:21] Miroirs Hax: Triss! nooooooo!! it got to you
[13:22] Kpac Hax: I see you are zombiefying Triss
[13:22] Kpac Hax >> Je vois que vous êtes zombiefying Triss
[13:22] Triss Gray: "consumed with censorship"
[13:22] Kpac Hax: hehehe
